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01-19-2023, 03:31 PM
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I 100% agree with you and I voted yes.
I had to think about what the odds are the merger closes. I think it’s high. I had to think about what the odds were that spirit comes back to the table in short order and if they do what their offer would be. I was back and forth on that one. I had to think about what the odds are of the JetBlue TA passing with their legacy snap up language and what the odds are of that language carrying into a JCBA.
After all of that and playing the odds I felt a yes vote was the best choice. If the merger doesn’t close though yes we gave away a ton of leverage and are screwed in more ways than one. Spirit will no go it alone. Frontier will come back for their “second bite of the apple”. In that case I’m out of here.
I had to think about what the odds are the merger closes. I think it’s high. I had to think about what the odds were that spirit comes back to the table in short order and if they do what their offer would be. I was back and forth on that one. I had to think about what the odds are of the JetBlue TA passing with their legacy snap up language and what the odds are of that language carrying into a JCBA.
After all of that and playing the odds I felt a yes vote was the best choice. If the merger doesn’t close though yes we gave away a ton of leverage and are screwed in more ways than one. Spirit will no go it alone. Frontier will come back for their “second bite of the apple”. In that case I’m out of here.
01-19-2023, 07:49 PM
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01-20-2023, 05:46 AM
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When you got hired here, there were places with better contracts, but you came to NK instead. You voted yes to the then CBA by accepting the job. And that CBA was low tier. Don't make it sound like it is the fault of the people hired here recently that we have what we have. Been here almost 10 years, at 20% RS, that is why I am still here. Go to Delta, or alternatively, just get of your high horse.
01-20-2023, 09:16 AM
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When you got hired here, there were places with better contracts, but you came to NK instead. You voted yes to the then CBA by accepting the job. And that CBA was low tier. Don't make it sound like it is the fault of the people hired here recently that we have what we have. Been here almost 10 years, at 20% RS, that is why I am still here. Go to Delta, or alternatively, just get of your high horse.
01-20-2023, 09:34 AM
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Best not to call others “low tier pilots” in person for voting in a 30% pay raise over two years.
01-20-2023, 09:36 AM
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1) When you've been here about 2 minuets and couldn't even vote you sure talk a lot and 2) When even ALIGANT management put out higher payrates than us and their negotiating committee actually had the balls to tell them no you bet your ass I can call each and every yes voter a happy content low tier pilot.
01-20-2023, 02:56 PM
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1) When you've been here about 2 minuets and couldn't even vote you sure talk a lot and 2) When even ALIGANT management put out higher payrates than us and their negotiating committee actually had the balls to tell them no you bet your ass I can call each and every yes voter a happy content low tier pilot.
01-20-2023, 03:31 PM
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Compared to you, I am the smartest guy on the internet. What part shouldn't I say in person? The part that you accepted a subpar contract, or the the part that you are complaining about that afterwards when other people are doing the same thing? They probably don't know you anyway..... If you are talking about me voting "yes", I will give you my reasons: SIL integration. Being closer to JB in pay rates will get us closer to RS. I am under 20% 10 years in, but if we get DOH I will go down to almost 40% RS, and close to 80% RS as a 320 captain, so back to reserve is possible. Getting our rates closer to JBs will help. Get it now. Yes, I hate the bite of the apple BS, but our NC believes that, so why would you think they would get more if we voted it down? And obviously twice as many people voted yes, so I am not the only one who thinks that.. I don't like the TA, No health insurance, s#!t training pay, slope not fixed. All true. You believe voting no would have fixed that before the merger, I don't. You are more than welcome to vote with your feet, I hear Delta is hiring.
minuets + ALIGANT + interpunction = low tier
minuets + ALIGANT + interpunction = low tier
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