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01-13-2023, 01:48 PM

#181

Excargodog

Perennial Reserve

Joined APC: Jan 2018

Posts: 12,203

Quote:

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer

One question. Who flies on Christmas? Whoever that is, drop to zero isn't helping them, but they still get to work for extremely substandard pay.

I do, but I reliably get Hanukkah and Kwanza off. My wife’s birthday and anniversary too.

01-13-2023, 01:52 PM

#182

CincoDeMayo

That/It/Thang

Joined APC: Aug 2020

Posts: 2,954

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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18

0% green grid 🙄

Can’t sneak semantics past a Riddle rat

01-13-2023, 02:03 PM

#183

Lincoln Osiris

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Joined APC: Sep 2017

Position: NK CA

Posts: 856

Quote:

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer

One question. Who flies on Christmas? Whoever that is, drop to zero isn't helping them, but they still get to work for extremely substandard pay.

Drop to zero is sooooo amazing that's why no one leaves here for a legacy

01-13-2023, 02:34 PM

#184

onedolla

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Joined APC: Apr 2018

Posts: 417

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Originally Posted by baseball3792

I would argue it’s very different. In one scenario, a 27% pay raise with no concessions was offered. While it could have been better, nobody lost anything other than potential future leverage by voting yes.

In this scenario, we’re talking about taking away things that those “yes” voters like. That’s a lot different.

If you really think the group will unify for this and are using this last TA as your basis since you seem to think we outsmarted management, prepare to be horribly disappointed. “More” money/higher rates has and will always easily sway a large number of our group, maybe any pilot group.

01-13-2023, 02:48 PM

#185

SoFloFlyer

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Joined APC: Nov 2017

Posts: 2,356

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lincoln Osiris

Drop to zero is sooooo amazing that's why no one leaves here for a legacy

No one would stay for DTZ. In all fairness, everyone that moves onto a legacy says that schedule flexibility is what they miss the most. It’s just not enough to keep them from going to a legacy. Do you blame them?

01-13-2023, 02:55 PM

#186

MainlineFlyer

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Joined APC: Oct 2017

Posts: 334

Quote:

Originally Posted by BKbigfish

I think the point you’re attempting to make is that DTZ only benefits a small percentage of pilots which is simply not true. I’ve explained it in more detail in previous posts but DTZ benefits all line holders by “priming” the DOT pump resulting in a large open time pot that is simply not attainable with a more restrictive drop system. Once again, the grid is what costs $$$. DTZ is simply a tool that maximizes the use of our grid system here at NK. Even if you rarely drop below guarantee (most including myself rarely finish the month below guarantee) this system benefits all line holders.

Ok, say I like to bid reserve. How does DTZ benefit me?

01-13-2023, 03:03 PM

#187

sioux8ships

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Joined APC: Dec 2018

Posts: 465

Quote:

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer

Ok, say I like to bid reserve. How does DTZ benefit me?

About the same as the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.

01-13-2023, 03:12 PM

#188

SSlow

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Joined APC: Feb 2019

Position: baller, shot caller

Posts: 1,025

Quote:

Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer

Ok, say I like to bid reserve. How does DTZ benefit me?

It doesn't. We fed our young to the wolves with contract 2018.

01-13-2023, 03:13 PM

#189

onedolla

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Joined APC: Apr 2018

Posts: 417

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer

How many people are you polling for this? At what longevity did they leave/are they at now? I’ve really never heard this complaint after a short time (previously a couple years, now, maybe 6 months).