Spirit vs big 3
01-13-2023, 10:31 AM
#171
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What you’re talking about is trading spirit work rules for money because money is industry standard and good work rules aren’t. That might work for your pilot group, but it has to get through ours too. Concessions are a non-starter.
You are looking at things purely from your lens. I agree that things like pay, retirement, pairing construction, etc need work. Expect substantial pushback if your master plan is to trade the good parts of spirits contract as your leverage to get it.
01-13-2023, 10:44 AM
#172
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There’s lots of leverage. They can’t operate a merged pilot group without a JCBA. And why are we talking about arbiters? Why do we need to make a case in arbitration? We could drag a contract out for 5 years just like management always does- as far as I’m aware, there’s no arbitration clause.
What you’re talking about is trading spirit work rules for money because money is industry standard and good work rules aren’t. That might work for your pilot group, but it has to get through ours too. Concessions are a non-starter.
You are looking at things purely from your lens. I agree that things like pay, retirement, pairing construction, etc need work. Expect substantial pushback if your master plan is to trade the good parts of spirits contract as your leverage to get it.
What you’re talking about is trading spirit work rules for money because money is industry standard and good work rules aren’t. That might work for your pilot group, but it has to get through ours too. Concessions are a non-starter.
You are looking at things purely from your lens. I agree that things like pay, retirement, pairing construction, etc need work. Expect substantial pushback if your master plan is to trade the good parts of spirits contract as your leverage to get it.
01-13-2023, 10:45 AM
#173
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There’s lots of leverage. They can’t operate a merged pilot group without a JCBA. And why are we talking about arbiters? Why do we need to make a case in arbitration? We could drag a contract out for 5 years just like management always does- as far as I’m aware, there’s no arbitration clause.
What you’re talking about is trading spirit work rules for money because money is industry standard and good work rules aren’t. That might work for your pilot group, but it has to get through ours too. Concessions are a non-starter.
You are looking at things purely from your lens. I agree that things like pay, retirement, pairing construction, etc need work. Expect substantial pushback if your master plan is to trade the good parts of spirits contract as your leverage to get it.
What you’re talking about is trading spirit work rules for money because money is industry standard and good work rules aren’t. That might work for your pilot group, but it has to get through ours too. Concessions are a non-starter.
You are looking at things purely from your lens. I agree that things like pay, retirement, pairing construction, etc need work. Expect substantial pushback if your master plan is to trade the good parts of spirits contract as your leverage to get it.
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01-13-2023, 11:01 AM
#175
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In this scenario, we’re talking about taking away things that those “yes” voters like. That’s a lot different.
01-13-2023, 11:16 AM
#176
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Lot of chest pounding from the B6 boys about having unprecedented leverage in the JCBA, only then to turn around and immediately start talking about all of the NK work rules they’re going to sell for $$$. Good stuff.
Who cares if it’s not industry standard? Is the pension at FedEx industry standard? No. Are they going to give it up because it’s not industry standard? No. STD/LTD at Delta standard? Are they going to concede it? Again… No.
Who cares if it’s not industry standard? Is the pension at FedEx industry standard? No. Are they going to give it up because it’s not industry standard? No. STD/LTD at Delta standard? Are they going to concede it? Again… No.
One question. Who flies on Christmas? Whoever that is, drop to zero isn't helping them, but they still get to work for extremely substandard pay.
01-13-2023, 11:31 AM
#177
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I would argue it’s very different. In one scenario, a 27% pay raise with no concessions was offered. While it could have been better, nobody lost anything other than potential future leverage by voting yes.
In this scenario, we’re talking about taking away things that those “yes” voters like. That’s a lot different.
In this scenario, we’re talking about taking away things that those “yes” voters like. That’s a lot different.
Remember line bidding? Oh wait, you've only worked here for like 3 hours.
01-13-2023, 11:59 AM
#178
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I think the point you’re attempting to make is that DTZ only benefits a small percentage of pilots which is simply not true. I’ve explained it in more detail in previous posts but DTZ benefits all line holders by “priming” the DOT pump resulting in a large open time pot that is simply not attainable with a more restrictive drop system. Once again, the grid is what costs $$$. DTZ is simply a tool that maximizes the use of our grid system here at NK. Even if you rarely drop below guarantee (most including myself rarely finish the month below guarantee) this system benefits all line holders.
01-13-2023, 12:08 PM
#179
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