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Old 01-11-2023, 02:52 PM
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Old 01-11-2023, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyCaptain
Drop to zero at a well staffed airline actually saves the company money. So we are going to give this up? I’m confused….
Point out a well staffed airline in the industry anywhere?
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16
Point out a well staffed airline in the industry anywhere?
Fwiw, the company brought back reserve drops during Covid…. We were obviously over staffed for our capacity. This allowed people to stay on payroll, and prevented some furloughs. There will always be another downturn, do we want to preemptively gut something that may never be used then look in hindsight after furloughs and think; “huh….wish we could let people drop at their own volition….”.
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Fwiw, the company brought back reserve drops during Covid…. We were obviously over staffed for our capacity. This allowed people to stay on payroll, and prevented some furloughs. There will always be another downturn, do we want to preemptively gut something that may never be used then look in hindsight after furloughs and think; “huh….wish we could let people drop at their own volition….”.
Airlines don't build the church for Easter. Everything was on the table during COVID. We went from flying 1000 flights a day to less than 100. They were offering LOAs, 50 hour months. So COVID flying isn't really a great example and certainly isn't sustainable during normal ops. So no, airlines are not staffed to support a drop to zero operation, then letting people pick up open time at 1.5x or 2x pay.
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Old 01-11-2023, 07:00 PM
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Let’s not forget the grid language was violated outright for over a year and we won in arbitration. It was hard fought and the company had to be forced to abide by it.
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What is it in the Spirit CBA that prevents the company from setting reserve levels that make it impossible to drop?

At United we are allowed to drop to zero, but dropping anything at all is very difficult because in our version of the grid, the company establishes coverage levels that make it consistently red for most if not all of the month.

Our current CBA places no limits on the reserve minimum levels each day.
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
What is it in the Spirit CBA that prevents the company from setting reserve levels that make it impossible to drop?

At United we are allowed to drop to zero, but dropping anything at all is very difficult because in our version of the grid, the company establishes coverage levels that make it consistently red for most if not all of the month.

Our current CBA places no limits on the reserve minimum levels each day.
Our CBA has that at the beginning of the first round of swaps/drops, a minimum of 75% of the grid must be green. Reserve requirement levels are adjusted to make that number happen. And, with the exception of a few holidays, all days are treated equally (reserve requirement levels are equal through the whole month).
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
Our CBA has that at the beginning of the first round of swaps/drops, a minimum of 75% of the grid must be green. Reserve requirement levels are adjusted to make that number happen. And, with the exception of a few holidays, all days are treated equally (reserve requirement levels are equal through the whole month).
outside of those holidays (I’m assuming thier contractually defined) can they set a higher number x times a bid period? Then place x on weekends and/or the transition?
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
What is it in the Spirit CBA that prevents the company from setting reserve levels that make it impossible to drop?

At United we are allowed to drop to zero, but dropping anything at all is very difficult because in our version of the grid, the company establishes coverage levels that make it consistently red for most if not all of the month.

Our current CBA places no limits on the reserve minimum levels each day.

I don’t quite understand your last sentence but it seems to be the problem. Are you saying there’s no
contractual number on the res side for the grid to be at to drop? Or are you saying there’s no min staffing level so it’s always sub whatever the res grid number is?
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
I don’t quite understand your last sentence but it seems to be the problem. Are you saying there’s no
contractual number on the res side for the grid to be at to drop? Or are you saying there’s no min staffing level so it’s always sub whatever the res grid number is?
This (sort of). The company establishes a minimum level of reserves as well as the potential reserves available in a given month. Any day where the number of available reserves is below the minimum level, the day is negative (red). There is no limit on the min level that the company establishes. The reserve system sucks in terms of the experience, but it also has a significant effect on lineholders at all seniority levels due to the inability to drop. We need something like you have that places limits on how “red” our coverage can be at the opening of trading.
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