Spirit vs big 3
01-10-2023, 01:06 PM
#91
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(Not directed at you) but if someone is talking about a total package you can lump everything in including rules and qol. But if pay rates are being discussed leave it at rates alone.
01-10-2023, 01:55 PM
#92
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Yeah, just about time for all the dick-measuring and holier than thou $hit between the two pilot groups to be finished and for the two pilot groups to start working on the best JCBA they both can get, complicated by the fact NK people need to deal with a multi fleet mindset. And if the 321NEO isn’t a different category, the 321 XLR damn sure ought to be.
01-10-2023, 02:19 PM
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There’s really no need to bash any one pilot group. Not everyone can be leaders (there is literally only one and every other airline lags) and there is no perfect contract. There’s always going to be no voters and there’s going to be provisions in someone else’s contract you want.
If the majority are happy with what they got let them be happy. If you’re one of those not happy maybe you should rethink who you work for and go work for the airline you’ll be happiest with.
If the majority are happy with what they got let them be happy. If you’re one of those not happy maybe you should rethink who you work for and go work for the airline you’ll be happiest with.
01-10-2023, 02:23 PM
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There’s really no need to bash any one pilot group. Not everyone can be leaders (there is literally only one and every other airline lags) and there is no perfect contract. There’s always going to be no voters and there’s going to be provisions in someone else’s contract you want.
If the majority are happy with what they got let them be happy. If you’re one of those not happy maybe you should rethink who you work for and go work for the airline you’ll be happiest with.
If the majority are happy with what they got let them be happy. If you’re one of those not happy maybe you should rethink who you work for and go work for the airline you’ll be happiest with.
01-10-2023, 02:54 PM
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01-10-2023, 04:33 PM
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Reading some of the JB posts in their forum and they’re willing to chop out QOL items for pay. I’m not saying we should lag behind in pay post merger, but I would hate to lose all the QOL items I came to NK for. We should be focusing our energy there.
01-10-2023, 04:42 PM
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They aren’t chopping out QOL items, they just think this “short term” contract extension was only achievable if it was narrow in scope (ie only pay rates) and that they’d get all their QOL items “next time” in the JCBA. But if you think your JCBA will be great, I got a bridge to sell you. Two of the lowest self-worth pilot groups with some of the worst contracts who both settled for peanuts when their respective companies needed a deal more than the pilots did…and somehow they will jointly get some awesome contract? Yeah right.
01-10-2023, 04:50 PM
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They aren’t chopping out QOL items, they just think this “short term” contract extension was only achievable if it was narrow in scope (ie only pay rates) and that they’d get all their QOL items “next time” in the JCBA. But if you think your JCBA will be great, I got a bridge to sell you. Two of the lowest self-worth pilot groups with some of the worst contracts who both settled for peanuts when their respective companies needed a deal more than the pilots did…and somehow they will jointly get some awesome contract? Yeah right.
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