319s going away
12-14-2022, 04:57 AM
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This also makes sense in the context of the JB merger. I'm told by people I know there that JB has little interest in old 319s and that they'd be parked/sold anyway. The A220 is basically their 319. Although the 319 has better range and trasncon capability.
12-14-2022, 07:33 AM
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The 220 can do a transcon no problem, and seats 140 I believe. I could see the age of the 319 being an issue, vs a new 220. The fuel burn on the 220 is much better as well, which is why jb went with the platform. Interesting nonetheless
12-14-2022, 08:16 AM
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The A220 has full transcon range, if the company decides to pay Airbus for a max takeoff weight increase. So far they haven't done that, so it struggles in winter winds. But the jet is plenty capable, if you pay the money to unlock the long range capabilities.
12-14-2022, 08:55 AM
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12-14-2022, 09:05 AM
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I think the 319NEO could compete fairly well against the A220 when you consider the training and parts commonality issues. The elderly 319 CEOs not so much. But JetBlue already started down the road of the multi type fleet with the A220, so that decision has pretty much been made. I expect a lot of the NK Airbus orders will shuffle from 319NEOs to some other 320NEO variant if the merger goes through.
12-14-2022, 09:53 AM
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I think the 319NEO could compete fairly well against the A220 when you consider the training and parts commonality issues. The elderly 319 CEOs not so much. But JetBlue already started down the road of the multi type fleet with the A220, so that decision has pretty much been made. I expect a lot of the NK Airbus orders will shuffle from 319NEOs to some other 320NEO variant if the merger goes through.
JB would have certainly done a full comparison/evaluation of the A319N vs the A220 when they bought them.
12-14-2022, 10:41 AM
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Why can’t you have both the “A”220 and A319 neo?
I mean look at all the legacy airlines they have both 737 and A320 variants. And we are getting larger to where we want to hang with the big boys and their size as well.
I mean look at all the legacy airlines they have both 737 and A320 variants. And we are getting larger to where we want to hang with the big boys and their size as well.
12-14-2022, 11:55 AM
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Almost nobody is buying 319NEOs. Delta, who has 319s, isn’t ordering any. They aren’t even ordering 320NEOs. For reference, there are 85 total orders for 319NEOs. 31 of those are about to get axed. There are about 700 A220-300 orders. After spirits 31 are converted to 321NEOs, it’ll be a much greater than 10:1 223:319N ratio. The 319N economics just aren’t there. For an airline that has both types, 220-300 will win every time. Basically the same capacity and capability for significantly less weight, fuel, and thus lower trip and operating cost. And when the 220-500 comes out, expect jetblue to take those over 320NEOs for the same capacity.
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