dualinput

They are negotiating today and tomorrow with last dates scheduled for Jan 10 and 11.

I don’t think it’s a huge coincidence that our vote closes on January 10th before we most likely will see the massive raises the JetBlue pilots come up with on the 11th.

This entire package is garbage. Terrible TA with zero snap up, union telling us we can have multiple “bites of the apple” when economic improvements are not at all common in a TPA, then the JetBlue negotiations ending the day after our vote closes.

We’ve never had more leverage to send something back for a redo. We need to get it now. There is more to give! Snap up should be a no brainer. A different pay scale at the return to profitably is the least they could have offered if they want to cry poor now. Anyone remember “spirit will never be public why get stock”?

Tx Paratroopr

Honestly even outside of our crap ta this is enough reason to say no. How stupid are we going to look if we settle for less than Alaska/legacy old rates and jb gets massive gains. Out of spite I almost want the yes vote to go through so every yes voter gets a swift kick in the groin. Granted if they aren't smart enough to realize the position we're in I doubt they'd care.

Chimpy

Why does everyone assume JB is getting “massive gains”, lol.? When have they ever received “Massive gains”.

anyway, the timing is definitely a little suspect, lol.

Judge Smails

There's more to give? So you've gotten the full briefing from ALPA's Economic and Financial Analysis department?

JulesWinfield

Their current rates are in line with our TA.

Lakeaffect

A pay snap up could be tied to a failed merger, then we wouldn’t have to worry about lost leverage. If the merger is so certain then it doesn’t cost a thing.

baseball3792

Their current rates are lower than the TA across the board, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Their new deal will very likely be higher, yes, but let’s stick to facts.

nuball5

They’re at $283/hour for an A320CA at 12 years putting them on par on rates until Alaska just voted in their TA.

baseball3792

I do actually wonder what management values the reserve grid rules and drop to zero at. Not saying we would ever vote to trade them for money, but in a vacuum, it would be interesting to know how much per hour they would trade those provisions for

Lakeaffect

I think because they have been in line with WN and legacy pay rates, so it’s assumed they will probably get comparable rates.