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12-13-2022, 09:27 AM

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Chimpy

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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

I think because they have been in line with WN and legacy pay rates, so it’s assumed they will probably get comparable rates.

ok so they would get gains, but “MASSIVE” gains? Seems like they probably get % gains similar to ours. But things like our health insurance, RED/Green, Drop to zero have a cost associated with them. If they got Delta rates, better insurance, and ability to Drop to Zero, I agree that would be massive. (And I hope they do).

12-13-2022, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nuball5

They’re at $283/hour for an A320CA at 12 years putting them on par on rates until Alaska just voted in their TA.

Those APC rates aren’t accurate. Their rates are higher.

12-13-2022, 09:32 AM

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Lakeaffect

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Originally Posted by baseball3792

Their current rates are lower than the TA across the board, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Their new deal will very likely be higher, yes, but let’s stick to facts.

Facts:
Compare the whole scale and our TA rates are anywhere from $0-17/hr more than B6. The top end Capt rate that you published has biggest divergence at $17/hr. Most longevity years are in the range of $5-10/hr. Not a huge difference. When you factor in 16% DC currently at B6, and $13/hr night overide currently at B6, and a clause for profit sharing we are pretty much even.

12-13-2022, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

The only things under consideration in this limited negotiation are pay rates, per diem and profit sharing. From what I'm hearing, there's a very good chance an AIP is reached this week. Otherwise, we're in a contract dispute. 50-50 whether we see anything in PS but that bar was set by the NC so if they don't bring something back that includes a solid PS plan, it will be looked at as a failure. I'll be a no voter if there's no PS formula restructure.

12-13-2022, 09:35 AM

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Lakeaffect

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

Yup, I agree. I think “MASSIVE” gains is a bit subjective.

12-13-2022, 10:25 AM

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Judge Smails

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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Those APC rates aren’t accurate. Their rates are higher.

You're right. It's not $283, it's $283.11.

Last edited by Judge Smails; 12-13-2022 at 10:41 AM.

12-13-2022, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Those APC rates aren’t accurate. Their rates are higher.

The A220 rates only reflect the -100, which JetBlue doesn’t operate. Everything else is correct.

12-13-2022, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by baseball3792

Their current rates are lower than the TA across the board, but don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Their new deal will very likely be higher, yes, but let’s stick to facts.

you cant even vote.

12-13-2022, 11:36 AM

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Clear Right

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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

I think because they have been in line with WN and legacy pay rates, so it’s assumed they will probably get comparable rates.

^^^^THIS^^^^

B6 rate at $283/hr for 12yr CA was in-line or in some cases higher than legacy A320/A321 rates. Therefore on par or better than Delta AIP w/snap up could be assumed. If you average Delta current A319/A320 rate $274 and Delta A321 rate $286 = $280 - B6 rate for A320/321 is actually currently higher at $283 for common fleet rate.

Last edited by Clear Right; 12-13-2022 at 11:51 AM.

12-13-2022, 12:24 PM

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dualinput

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Originally Posted by Judge Smails

There's more to give? So you've gotten the full briefing from ALPA's Economic and Financial Analysis department?

The regionals found the money somewhere and so can we. Even if not they didn’t even include a different scale triggered by a return to profitability. That’s the only way at a minimum that you accept a below market deal when the company cry’s poor.