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12-16-2022, 06:18 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 91
They are trying to "sell" you the bull**** TA. They will say whatever they have to. Of course it's not guaranteed.... The company started negotiations 6 months before amendable date and we have a TA 3 months prior. They need it. They'll be back to negotiate. And if not, let the C-suite clean up the **** storm that will be attrition.
12-16-2022, 07:02 PM
#62
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 182
From the roadshow, apparently there’s no guarantee that we would go back to the table if this was voted down is what it sounded like. Some say it’s a scare tactic, but what if it isn’t? What if management drags this out until JCBA? Are y’all willing to risk that not having a pay raise until a JCBA? Just curious where y’all stand if this is the case
12-16-2022, 07:48 PM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 465
From the roadshow, apparently there’s no guarantee that we would go back to the table if this was voted down is what it sounded like. Some say it’s a scare tactic, but what if it isn’t? What if management drags this out until JCBA? Are y’all willing to risk that not having a pay raise until a JCBA? Just curious where y’all stand if this is the case
They need this 100%! Stop buying into the fear!! Good leaders don’t lead by using fear as a weapon! Let’s ALL grow a pair!
12-16-2022, 08:00 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,356
The word you’re looking for is “pride”
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
12-16-2022, 08:25 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
The word you’re looking for is “pride”
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
12-16-2022, 08:55 PM
#66
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,333
The word you’re looking for is “pride”
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
All great responses from a number of you. The only concern I have is if this gets voted down, the company will drag this out until the amendable date, the economy tanks, and now we’re at the table with a bad economy and no leverage.
Of course, this might not happen, but there is a possibility of it
The key is knowing if you are weighing those probabilities correctly and possibly convincing yourself one way or another. Only you can know that for yourself.
Within the Prospect theory is also the certainty principle. Basically people tend to protect the certainty of an outcome even though it’s more advantageous to risk a little bit.
Example: option A. You can have $100 with 100% certainty. Option B. You can have a 70% chance at $200 or a 30% chance at nothing.
Psychologically most people pick option A even though statistical math easily says Option B is the correct choice.
Last edited by Stayontarget; 12-16-2022 at 09:19 PM.
12-16-2022, 10:44 PM
#67
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Joined APC: Aug 2011
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 206
From the roadshow, apparently there’s no guarantee that we would go back to the table if this was voted down is what it sounded like. Some say it’s a scare tactic, but what if it isn’t? What if management drags this out until JCBA? Are y’all willing to risk that not having a pay raise until a JCBA? Just curious where y’all stand if this is the case
12-16-2022, 11:13 PM
#68
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
From the roadshow, apparently there’s no guarantee that we would go back to the table if this was voted down is what it sounded like. Some say it’s a scare tactic, but what if it isn’t? What if management drags this out until JCBA? Are y’all willing to risk that not having a pay raise until a JCBA? Just curious where y’all stand if this is the case
If they wanted to drag out our current contract til the JCBA they would be doing it right now but instead they came to a deal 3 mo early which they have NEVER done. They need this to stop the bleeding and up utilization to make money. They will be back bc they have to be not because they want to be. Same reason we are where we are now.
Embarrassing compensation in this market.
No snap up
Not pairity
Sliding 1st year pay.
Agree and leverage gone. Say no and leverage just as strong or stronger than it is now. Do what you want. How do you value yourself. Every time we are going to “get them next time”. IT’S NEXT TIME!
Also think about a recession in terms of what a recession is. We already seem to be in one. Not all recessions are 2008. That was just so bad it’s what we think of. Market is down more than 20% now. Airline CEOs say they are forecasting growth and bookings are up and aren’t seeing any signs of an airline recession. It isn’t 2008. Let’s not negotiate like it is.
12-17-2022, 03:50 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Aug 2018
Posts: 30
One thing to consider. If we agree to this TA, we pretty much are saying we are not as good as JB pilots. I wonder how much ammo this will give them come SLI. I bet it works in there favor. I can already see their union saying. “Look we both had a TA at the same time and the spirit guys are looking to us to help them out and bring them up to industry average. Of course we should get better SLI percentages”. I know I would try it if I was a JB pilot.
12-17-2022, 04:07 AM
#70
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 182
One thing to consider. If we agree to this TA, we pretty much are saying we are not as good as JB pilots. I wonder how much ammo this will give them come SLI. I bet it works in there favor. I can already see their union saying. “Look we both had a TA at the same time and the spirit guys are looking to us to help them out and bring them up to industry average. Of course we should get better SLI percentages”. I know I would try it if I was a JB pilot.
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