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#141
Sadly I believe this will now pass. It will be by a slim margin. Lots of turtling going on amongst the pilots in various group chats I’m a part of. Voting yes out of fear. We have such a weak pilot group. Battered pilot syndrome is a thing. I hope I’m wrong.
There are like at least a dozen reasons to turn this turd down but all yes voters can hang their hat on is ‘management might not come back to the table’. That’s some straight limp D energy.
There are like at least a dozen reasons to turn this turd down but all yes voters can hang their hat on is ‘management might not come back to the table’. That’s some straight limp D energy.
But other people are going to make other rational choices, some because they actually don’t plan on sticking around long enough to benefit. One can hardly expect someone who already has a legacy CJO and anticipates a class date 3 months out to vote to reenter negotiations rather than take a 1 Jan raise. Other people will make rational decisions to vote yes for other reasons. I’m now hoping the “No” voters prevail, but certainly don’t believe those who vote yes are weak or fearful or even uninformed. Some are just more comfortable with the proverbial “bird in hand…”. That’s not bad, just a different value judgment than mine.
It takes all kinds to make a world.
#142
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
Other people will make rational decisions to vote yes for other reasons. I’m now hoping the “No” voters prevail, but certainly don’t believe those who vote yes are weak or fearful or even uninformed. Some are just more comfortable with the proverbial “bird in hand…”. That’s not bad, just a different value judgment than mine.
It takes all kinds to make a world.
#143
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
First year pay and the subsequent attrition is not my problem. The union roadshow quantified just what this first year pay raise cost us in negotiating capital, and that cost is over 90 million dollars. That’s 90 million that is not going towards getting our pay to market rate. It is the largest cost component of this TA.
I. WILL. NOT. FINANCE. ATTRITION.
First year pay and the subsequent attrition is not my problem. The union roadshow quantified just what this first year pay raise cost us in negotiating capital, and that cost is over 90 million dollars. That’s 90 million that is not going towards getting our pay to market rate. It is the largest cost component of this TA.
I. WILL. NOT. FINANCE. ATTRITION.
I know you disagree, but I’ve never seen a more emotional group of people than the “no” voters in this forum
#144
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
This logic doesn’t add up. Keeping first year pay lower to bring everyone else up still isn’t industry standard. Attrition will also continue to be bad until newer peeps are offered a reason to stay. Being paid better than current contract rates.
I know you disagree, but I’ve never seen a more emotional group of people than the “no” voters in this forum
I know you disagree, but I’ve never seen a more emotional group of people than the “no” voters in this forum
#146
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 511
#148
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 76
So you stand on the shoulders of other men who fought for contracts and call yourself tall.
Had you entered this industry twenty years ago, you would be a regional jet lifer with the attitude you have. I am very happy you got in during this hiring climate.
Please, say more.
Had you entered this industry twenty years ago, you would be a regional jet lifer with the attitude you have. I am very happy you got in during this hiring climate.
Please, say more.
#150
I'm curious, have you? My understanding is the people who have are under a nondisclosure.
This deal represents $463 million, if we are in such financial dire straits this deal would not have even come to light. The difference to bring us to parity with JB will not make a difference in the company's financial standing. This deal, in it's current form will do nothing to curb our attrition and entice prospective pilots to come here. I'm certain our attrition will greatly accelerate, and any prospective pilot looking to come here would be better served to join JB for both better SLI and higher pay right off the bat. The only pilots that will join are those that are unemployable elsewhere or those looking for the type to move on to a legacy. If this passes, we will continue to be a sinking ship, and if it doesn't, and management chooses not to engage we again continue to loose pilots and attract new one's which will add to our inefficiency and utilization of the current fleet.
This deal represents $463 million, if we are in such financial dire straits this deal would not have even come to light. The difference to bring us to parity with JB will not make a difference in the company's financial standing. This deal, in it's current form will do nothing to curb our attrition and entice prospective pilots to come here. I'm certain our attrition will greatly accelerate, and any prospective pilot looking to come here would be better served to join JB for both better SLI and higher pay right off the bat. The only pilots that will join are those that are unemployable elsewhere or those looking for the type to move on to a legacy. If this passes, we will continue to be a sinking ship, and if it doesn't, and management chooses not to engage we again continue to loose pilots and attract new one's which will add to our inefficiency and utilization of the current fleet.
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