Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Believe it or not, some pilots started at this company before it was a "ULCC". Ownership changes, management changes, they come in with big plans and ideas. Their job is to make money for the company and the shareholders, and they adapt whatever business plan they see fit, so long as it is profitable. My job as a pilot is to move the metal and pax safely and efficiently, plain and simple. I don't care what business model the company chooses to adopt this quarter, my job is still the same, and I expect to be compensated commensurate with my peers for doing that job. Southwest is still considered by some to be a "LCC", but you don't see that title being used against their pilots to manage their expectations. If SWA can pay their pilots well, and still make money, why can't Spirit? The only road to parity is to recognize your worth, and vote accordingly. If they can't afford to pay a standard wage, that's a management failure, not ours. How many contract cycles should it take to figure that out? I don't come to work to spend days away from my family to subsidize the company's success. Defer deliveries, park the 319s, I really don't GAF until they can figure out how to pay the pilots on property an industry-standard wage. Retention and talent acquisition are their problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by fumeevented

lol. we got an internet tough guy here.

You know, I have a 50% chance of being right about that guy right out of training, who was relentlessly trying to convince us all to accept a ****ty TA, planning on leaving as soon as he can.

I'm not even sure what got your panties in such a bunch tbh.

Originally Posted by SSlow

He's going to take their mother out for a nice seafood dinner and never call her again

Originally Posted by johnbass1

Please know who you are, you took a job at Spirit knowing that they are a true low cost carrier. Do you fly the same equipment as the Delta? Why, yes you do, and you do it very well and feel you should be paid the same as Delta, and Jet Blue. However, take a look at what your company is doing. I have watched customers loading on to a Spirit flight and without a doubt every time you have one to at least three people upset that they have to pay something extra to bring on some luggage that they would easily be able to take on to the others. You can't even give these poor folks a drink of water without charging them.

Look, you fly people on the cheap, and you do it well. This is the company you went to work for, and the fact that you want the same pay as Delta, JB, or even Alaska shows that you really haven't accepted where you work, the sooner that you do the sooner you can move forward. Or you can go work for one of those higher paying outfits that you so want to be. It is a free country, and nobody pushed you into this bed you are sleeping in. They are who we thought they were!! Take the reasonable pay raise, and in two years or so when the merger goes through you will get another pay raise. Please remember, you can put a dress on a Pig, but it is still a Pig. For those that are a bit slow the dress would be you the Pilots, and the Pig, that's who you work for. The reflection pool is open, take a look.

Originally Posted by johnbass1

Please know who you are, you took a job at Spirit knowing that they are a true low cost carrier. Do you fly the same equipment as the Delta? Why, yes you do, and you do it very well and feel you should be paid the same as Delta, and Jet Blue. However, take a look at what your company is doing. I have watched customers loading on to a Spirit flight and without a doubt every time you have one to at least three people upset that they have to pay something extra to bring on some luggage that they would easily be able to take on to the others. You can't even give these poor folks a drink of water without charging them.

Look, you fly people on the cheap, and you do it well. This is the company you went to work for, and the fact that you want the same pay as Delta, JB, or even Alaska shows that you really haven't accepted where you work, the sooner that you do the sooner you can move forward. Or you can go work for one of those higher paying outfits that you so want to be. It is a free country, and nobody pushed you into this bed you are sleeping in. They are who we thought they were!! Take the reasonable pay raise, and in two years or so when the merger goes through you will get another pay raise. Please remember, you can put a dress on a Pig, but it is still a Pig. For those that are a bit slow the dress would be you the Pilots, and the Pig, that's who you work for. The reflection pool is open, take a look.

Originally Posted by Stayontarget

Oh look everybody, a Narcissist!

Please remember, you can put a dress on when no one is watching, but you’re still a narcissist. And just in case you’re a bit slow, you are the pig.

Originally Posted by johnbass1

It is ok, the truth hurts when you hear it for the first time. It gets easier from here. You have taken the first step, and I am proud of you. Now go find somebody to give you a hug, you need one.

Originally Posted by flyingmonkeys

Sadly I believe this will now pass. It will be by a slim margin. Lots of turtling going on amongst the pilots in various group chats I’m a part of. Voting yes out of fear. We have such a weak pilot group. Battered pilot syndrome is a thing. I hope I’m wrong.

There are like at least a dozen reasons to turn this turd down but all yes voters can hang their hat on is ‘management might not come back to the table’. That’s some straight limp D energy.