View Poll Results: How will you vote on the new TA?
Yes
90
33.46%
No
179
66.54%
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01-10-2023, 03:28 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,565
We'll be back to the table with nothing to offer in any JCBA. With today's result, from this point forward we have nothing to offer as a pilot group. We're done. Good bye drops. No way does B6 consider reducing compensation to keep our green red and drops to zero. At the least, a NO would have given us the reasonable ability to voice merger opposition to the DOJ and muddy the waters.
01-10-2023, 03:55 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 220
We'll be back to the table with nothing to offer in any JCBA. With today's result, from this point forward we have nothing to offer as a pilot group. We're done. Good bye drops. No way does B6 consider reducing compensation to keep our green red and drops to zero. At the least, a NO would have given us the reasonable ability to voice merger opposition to the DOJ and muddy the waters.
01-10-2023, 04:11 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 439
We'll be back to the table with nothing to offer in any JCBA. With today's result, from this point forward we have nothing to offer as a pilot group. We're done. Good bye drops. No way does B6 consider reducing compensation to keep our green red and drops to zero. At the least, a NO would have given us the reasonable ability to voice merger opposition to the DOJ and muddy the waters.
01-10-2023, 05:36 PM
#65
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 2,356
We'll be back to the table with nothing to offer in any JCBA. With today's result, from this point forward we have nothing to offer as a pilot group. We're done. Good bye drops. No way does B6 consider reducing compensation to keep our green red and drops to zero. At the least, a NO would have given us the reasonable ability to voice merger opposition to the DOJ and muddy the waters.
01-10-2023, 06:07 PM
#66
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 993
We'll be back to the table with nothing to offer in any JCBA. With today's result, from this point forward we have nothing to offer as a pilot group. We're done. Good bye drops. No way does B6 consider reducing compensation to keep our green red and drops to zero. At the least, a NO would have given us the reasonable ability to voice merger opposition to the DOJ and muddy the waters.
01-10-2023, 06:25 PM
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,565
You don't have to worry about dropping to 0. I'll bet a bottle of Blanton bourbon that this is going away, no matter how you guys voted. It will be sacrificed on the alter for PS, increased PTO/VPTO, etc. Dropping to 0 is industry non-standard. We had industry non-standard stuff when we negotiated our first CBA like getting paid for PTO sellback each month. That was a great deal and offered lots of flexibility but our union told us it was chopped because it would be hard to justify since it was an outlier in the industry. You guys have leverage because you still have a vote. We will have the most leverage we'll have in our career because our CBA requires a JCBA for the company to enjoy the benefits of the combined companies. The key is to have solid communication and make sure our combined NC and MEC don't settle.
01-10-2023, 06:46 PM
#68
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 511
You don't have to worry about dropping to 0. I'll bet a bottle of Blanton bourbon that this is going away, no matter how you guys voted. It will be sacrificed on the alter for PS, increased PTO/VPTO, etc. Dropping to 0 is industry non-standard. We had industry non-standard stuff when we negotiated our first CBA like getting paid for PTO sellback each month. That was a great deal and offered lots of flexibility but our union told us it was chopped because it would be hard to justify since it was an outlier in the industry. You guys have leverage because you still have a vote. We will have the most leverage we'll have in our career because our CBA requires a JCBA for the company to enjoy the benefits of the combined companies. The key is to have solid communication and make sure our combined NC and MEC don't settle.
Hope we can get new people . Not holding my breath.
01-10-2023, 06:48 PM
#69
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,025
It's nothing terrible, but don't expect anything crazy good from our MEC. It will be a very average a$$ "but the company says" kinda deal, despite whatever kind of leverage we are believed to posses.
Honestly the best thing we have going into the JCBA is B6 pilots outnumbering us.
Last edited by SSlow; 01-10-2023 at 07:08 PM.
01-10-2023, 07:11 PM
#70
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 993
Not sure what your perception of the NK pilot group is like, but just be warned...we sell ourselves short into mediocre deals over here.
It's nothing terrible, but don't expect anything crazy good from our MEC. It will be a very average a$$ "but the company says" kinda deal, despite whatever kind of leverage we are believed to posses.
Honestly the best thing we have going into the JCBA is B6 pilots outnumbering us.
It's nothing terrible, but don't expect anything crazy good from our MEC. It will be a very average a$$ "but the company says" kinda deal, despite whatever kind of leverage we are believed to posses.
Honestly the best thing we have going into the JCBA is B6 pilots outnumbering us.
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