View Poll Results: How will you vote on the new TA?
Yes
90
33.46%
No
179
66.54%
Voters: 269. You may not vote on this poll
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12-20-2022, 08:25 PM
#41
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Joined APC: Apr 2022
Posts: 107
Many yes votes out on the line, including me and at least the last 3 people I've flown with. The cesspool that is APC is little more than a few blowhards sounding off and looking ignorant in the process. Of course they're entitled to their opinions, but it seems most of those opinions are from pure emotion and little critical thinking. It's disturbing they let some of you touch the controls of anything other than toy airplanes.
12-20-2022, 10:07 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 182
The only reason to vote yes is fear. Fear is a very powerful motivator. The NC is going hard at that angle. In a way I get it. Vote yes and take the sure thing. Yes voters are simply concerned that management will just dig their heels in. It’s a valid concern but is completely conflicting to how they’ve dealt with the negotiations so far. I went to the roadshow and I was a super hard no… but I started questioning myself during their presentation. It’s 100 percent fear porn.
im still a NO btw.
im still a NO btw.
12-20-2022, 11:48 PM
#43
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 3
Many yes votes out on the line, including me and at least the last 3 people I've flown with. The cesspool that is APC is little more than a few blowhards sounding off and looking ignorant in the process. Of course they're entitled to their opinions, but it seems most of those opinions are from pure emotion and little critical thinking. It's disturbing they let some of you touch the controls of anything other than toy airplanes.
12-21-2022, 03:34 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Posts: 198
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12-21-2022, 05:09 AM
#45
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,480
The only reason to vote yes is fear. Fear is a very powerful motivator. The NC is going hard at that angle. In a way I get it. Vote yes and take the sure thing. Yes voters are simply concerned that management will just dig their heels in. It’s a valid concern but is completely conflicting to how they’ve dealt with the negotiations so far. I went to the roadshow and I was a super hard no… but I started questioning myself during their presentation. It’s 100 percent fear porn.
im still a NO btw.
im still a NO btw.
My take is there are just too many variables right now to bet $40 an hour to get an extra $15. This is not a 4 year agreement, this is about an 18 month agreement or less and we get another raise. We also will no longer be dealing with these ****forbrains management types.
I have to laugh at those who think the JetBlue pilot group is tough and smart.. Those guys didn't vote alpa in for 20 years because their company handed them money left and right. Eventually the company made a mistake by taking away profit sharing, being stupid and that caused their union to be formed. Now today their company pushed a TA across that raised the bar but left out something those guys still want. That TA is definitely better than ours but not because of what their group did, but because of what their management did. Our management will never do that and if this merger fails and we end up stand alone or worse, part of Frontier, you will not see these rates again.
So what you call fear, many call common sense. Does this TA **** me off, yes, but my eyes are on the future and what might be, not living in the past dealing with this turd of a company. It's time for this pilot group to work for a real company that has a future!
I've changed to a yes vote btw. There are FAR too many variables to risk a lot for a little.
Merry Christmas! 🍻
12-21-2022, 05:32 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
So I have a question for you? I've heard many state the company came to the table to fix hiring and attrition, yet this agreement fixes neither. So I ask you,, why? If neither were fixed why would they bother to come back to the table , it obviously doesn't seem to concern them.
I’m not sure the company thinks this way. They’ve probably concluded that a yes vote does just enough to Bandaid the attrition/retention until it’s JB’s mess.
They came to the table because they “obviously“ are concerned. Why come at all if they didn’t care. Early openers does not require early results. If they didn’t care they would have dragged negotiations out indefinitely. You’ve been here long enough to know they wouldn’t spend a dime extra on labor groups unless they had to. Why now?
12-21-2022, 05:35 AM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,283
So I have a question for you? I've heard many state the company came to the table to fix hiring and attrition, yet this agreement fixes neither. So I ask you,, why? If neither were fixed why would they bother to come back to the table , it obviously doesn't seem to concern them.
My take is there are just too many variables right now to bet $40 an hour to get an extra $15. This is not a 4 year agreement, this is about an 18 month agreement or less and we get another raise. We also will no longer be dealing with these ****forbrains management types.
I have to laugh at those who think the JetBlue pilot group is tough and smart.. Those guys didn't vote alpa in for 20 years because their company handed them money left and right. Eventually the company made a mistake by taking away profit sharing, being stupid and that caused their union to be formed. Now today their company pushed a TA across that raised the bar but left out something those guys still want. That TA is definitely better than ours but not because of what their group did, but because of what their management did. Our management will never do that and if this merger fails and we end up stand alone or worse, part of Frontier, you will not see these rates again.
So what you call fear, many call common sense. Does this TA **** me off, yes, but my eyes are on the future and what might be, not living in the past dealing with this turd of a company. It's time for this pilot group to work for a real company that has a future!
I've changed to a yes vote btw. There are FAR too many variables to risk a lot for a little.
Merry Christmas! 🍻
My take is there are just too many variables right now to bet $40 an hour to get an extra $15. This is not a 4 year agreement, this is about an 18 month agreement or less and we get another raise. We also will no longer be dealing with these ****forbrains management types.
I have to laugh at those who think the JetBlue pilot group is tough and smart.. Those guys didn't vote alpa in for 20 years because their company handed them money left and right. Eventually the company made a mistake by taking away profit sharing, being stupid and that caused their union to be formed. Now today their company pushed a TA across that raised the bar but left out something those guys still want. That TA is definitely better than ours but not because of what their group did, but because of what their management did. Our management will never do that and if this merger fails and we end up stand alone or worse, part of Frontier, you will not see these rates again.
So what you call fear, many call common sense. Does this TA **** me off, yes, but my eyes are on the future and what might be, not living in the past dealing with this turd of a company. It's time for this pilot group to work for a real company that has a future!
I've changed to a yes vote btw. There are FAR too many variables to risk a lot for a little.
Merry Christmas! 🍻
12-21-2022, 06:13 AM
#48
CA-ORD
Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 175
Many yes votes out on the line, including me and at least the last 3 people I've flown with. The cesspool that is APC is little more than a few blowhards sounding off and looking ignorant in the process. Of course they're entitled to their opinions, but it seems most of those opinions are from pure emotion and little critical thinking. It's disturbing they let some of you touch the controls of anything other than toy airplanes.
Keep pushing your “yes” vote blather on the “2022 AIP Discussion” chat. A lot of us find it humorous….
12-21-2022, 08:33 AM
#49
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,345
12-21-2022, 08:55 AM
#50
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
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