Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Watch the roadshow and read the FAQ. Or not, I don’t care, but the answers are there.

Originally Posted by skigambia

You do realize the FAQ and road shows are a sales pitch? There are many positions that they push that can be argued either way. But, they are absolutely 100% wrong on this TA and it's ultimate effect on a potential SLI. Voting this in immediately blows opens the argument of career expectation. We voted in a contract, with full knowledge of what are JB brethern negotiated, that is significantly less lucrative. It's a recent event that shows we have a lower expectation and can and will be used against us.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

I said I don’t agree with their position. To be clear, I am a no vote, but the union has presented some compelling arguments.

Originally Posted by Halon1211

Okay Halon’s goofy hat is off for a second…

I recently went to the road show and I have to say I went from a yes to a definite YES.

They explained things pretty clearly and definitely know what they are talking about. I really had no idea before how bad Spirits position was, like how Legacies make lots more revenue on other stuff…it makes sense just never thought of it that way. How legacy pilot labor expense ratio is a lot less (I always assumed it was more). How Spirit had to borrow lots of money because of up coming expenses (like this pilot contract coming up) also to make sure we had enough cash to cover credit card transactions because Spirits cash got to a critically low point.

you can talk all you want that they are trying to scare us. But that is the truth, we really arnt in the position that Delta is in. They acknowledged that yes we fly the same planes and have the same responsibilities as our peers but the ULCC model just definitely isn’t favorable to what we want.

here is some good news through…they do have a plan to bring us to narrow body Legacy rates relatively quickly. They 3 step plan they talked about…and let’s be honest the JetBlue merger really needs to happen…

the SLI stuff is really why we need a contract now and not after JetBlue votes. It’s really the timing of it. But anyways I’m getting tired of writing…lots to explain. But if you want I encourage all of you to watch that discussion about halfway through the virtual video they have on the ALPA website.

Did I expect $20/hour more from this TA? Yes absolutely but this is still a pretty significant pay raise in the next step to the JetBlue merger.

also I hear a lot of stuff about how guys want the union to go after the company on work rules…dude you don’t want to go down that road. You know they are going to try to take work rules away and not give us favorable work rules and that will drag this thing out even further.

anyways that my 2¢ why that road show solidified my YES vote.

(okay goofy hat back on)

Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Did you, as a pilot, have anything to do with the company's cash flow getting to a critically low point? Management's inability to generate a profit and positive cash flow are not my job, and not my cross to bear. They aren't willing to share in the profits, and I'm not willing to share in their losses. They had to borrow cash to make payments necessary for running a business, I had to borrow cash to buy my house. BFD. If they can't figure out how to generate profits with record demand, then management has failed us, not the other way around. This is about whether or not we as a group are willing to be subjugated to second- or third-tier status, and, accordingly, commensurate compensation, when you and I know we do the same job with less tools and support than our peers. Know your worth, and vote accordingly, or be willing to live as the red-headed step-children of the industry for the rest of your middling career.

Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Did you, as a pilot, have anything to do with the company's cash flow getting to a critically low point? Management's inability to generate a profit and positive cash flow are not my job, and not my cross to bear. They aren't willing to share in the profits, and I'm not willing to share in their losses. They had to borrow cash to make payments necessary for running a business, I had to borrow cash to buy my house. BFD. If they can't figure out how to generate profits with record demand, then management has failed us, not the other way around. This is about whether or not we as a group are willing to be subjugated to second- or third-tier status, and, accordingly, commensurate compensation, when you and I know we do the same job with less tools and support than our peers. Know your worth, and vote accordingly, or be willing to live as the red-headed step-children of the industry for the rest of your middling career.

Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Did you, as a pilot, have anything to do with the company's cash flow getting to a critically low point? Management's inability to generate a profit and positive cash flow are not my job, and not my cross to bear. They aren't willing to share in the profits, and I'm not willing to share in their losses. They had to borrow cash to make payments necessary for running a business, I had to borrow cash to buy my house. BFD. If they can't figure out how to generate profits with record demand, then management has failed us, not the other way around. This is about whether or not we as a group are willing to be subjugated to second- or third-tier status, and, accordingly, commensurate compensation, when you and I know we do the same job with less tools and support than our peers. Know your worth, and vote accordingly, or be willing to live as the red-headed step-children of the industry for the rest of your middling career.

Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW

Did you, as a pilot, have anything to do with the company's cash flow getting to a critically low point? Management's inability to generate a profit and positive cash flow are not my job, and not my cross to bear. They aren't willing to share in the profits, and I'm not willing to share in their losses. They had to borrow cash to make payments necessary for running a business, I had to borrow cash to buy my house. BFD. If they can't figure out how to generate profits with record demand, then management has failed us, not the other way around. This is about whether or not we as a group are willing to be subjugated to second- or third-tier status, and, accordingly, commensurate compensation, when you and I know we do the same job with less tools and support than our peers. Know your worth, and vote accordingly, or be willing to live as the red-headed step-children of the industry for the rest of your middling career.