Originally Posted by Halon1211

Okay Halon’s goofy hat is off for a second…

I recently went to the road show and I have to say I went from a yes to a definite YES.

They explained things pretty clearly and definitely know what they are talking about. I really had no idea before how bad Spirits position was, like how Legacies make lots more revenue on other stuff…it makes sense just never thought of it that way. How legacy pilot labor expense ratio is a lot less (I always assumed it was more). How Spirit had to borrow lots of money because of up coming expenses (like this pilot contract coming up) also to make sure we had enough cash to cover credit card transactions because Spirits cash got to a critically low point.

you can talk all you want that they are trying to scare us. But that is the truth, we really arnt in the position that Delta is in. They acknowledged that yes we fly the same planes and have the same responsibilities as our peers but the ULCC model just definitely isn’t favorable to what we want.

here is some good news through…they do have a plan to bring us to narrow body Legacy rates relatively quickly. They 3 step plan they talked about…and let’s be honest the JetBlue merger really needs to happen…

the SLI stuff is really why we need a contract now and not after JetBlue votes. It’s really the timing of it. But anyways I’m getting tired of writing…lots to explain. But if you want I encourage all of you to watch that discussion about halfway through the virtual video they have on the ALPA website.

Did I expect $20/hour more from this TA? Yes absolutely but this is still a pretty significant pay raise in the next step to the JetBlue merger.

also I hear a lot of stuff about how guys want the union to go after the company on work rules…dude you don’t want to go down that road. You know they are going to try to take work rules away and not give us favorable work rules and that will drag this thing out even further.

anyways that my 2¢ why that road show solidified my YES vote.

(okay goofy hat back on)

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Unfortunately, I was working during the local and online roadshow. A new hire bonus does't fix their training backlog and OE issues. It would have to be a pretty substantial bonus to even get people to ink a contract to stay here.

Originally Posted by CLE to IAH

pity reply.


oh, and TL;DR

Originally Posted by Halon1211

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and what does TL; DR mean?

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Yeah, something doesn't add up. Just because the company has been able to keep their head above water in 2022, doesn't mean they will going forward. Looking at the fleet plan, we are getting more aircraft this quarter than the previous 3 quarters combined. Next year, they are scheduled to get 33 more airplanes. This, combined with the fact that every regional pays more, and the legacies are all hiring close to 2000 pilots each, this strategy is untenable. If you read every quarterly filing, they all read the same: We would have made money if the aircraft utilization was higher.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

Too long; Didn’t read.

Often use by intellectually lazy people to keep from having to examine their own biases.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Yup. Pulled into LAS this morning, 6-7 aircraft parked in the pad not utilized.

I watched the roadshow video, lots of good info. The takeaway for me is it’s a tough call. However I keep coming back to: Spirit is broke and can’t afford to pay us, which is why they want to give us a raise……Because they know that’s how to utilize airplanes to become profitable. Call the bluff, vote no.

Originally Posted by Halon1211

yeah that would be like CLE to IAH and most of the No voters. Don’t really care to see what the other side had to say.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Spirit is broke and can’t afford to pay us

Originally Posted by PleaseComplete

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't they write off the parked aircraft as losses? In other words if there was another way to do the accounting we may have been closer to profits? I'm not an accountant by any means but it stands to reason that if a large part of the losses were from depreciating unused aircraft than yea then can indeed afford more number one, number two these profits forecasts are just that forecasts - I don't know about ya'll but I trust financial forecasts to have as much accuracy as weather forecasts - GIGO, garbage in = garbage out. Didn't they have Hurricane Ian still hitting Tampa at 48 hours out so not enough time to evacuate Fort Myers? Forecasts are the equivalent of the "two in the bush". We're supposed to put all our faith in the financial forecasts when all other evidence points otherwise?