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Old 12-21-2022, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ForTheWin
To vote no opens up far too many 'what ifs' and they're not worth the risk.
Such as?

People keep saying this and nobody is giving any examples. Lets hear it.

EDIT: Cinco listed some decent ones a few posts later.
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Originally Posted by fumeevented
Such as?

People keep saying this and nobody is giving any examples. Lets hear it.

EDIT: Cinco listed some decent ones a few posts later.
Read the union FAQ. The company may not come back to the table, leaving us in a worse position going into the TPA and JCBA. Essentially, the less we have when we go to the table with JetBlue, the worse position we'll be in, as they will be giving us more.
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Old 12-21-2022, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Read the union FAQ. The company may not come back to the table, leaving us in a worse position going into the TPA and JCBA. Essentially, the less we have when we go to the table with JetBlue, the worse position we'll be in, as they will be giving us more.
Sounds like more union “spin”

Again, as said 1,000+ times in here, the merger isn’t a definite
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Read the union FAQ. The company may not come back to the table, leaving us in a worse position going into the TPA and JCBA. Essentially, the less we have when we go to the table with JetBlue, the worse position we'll be in, as they will be giving us more.
How do they give us “more”? Are you saying that If we go into the JCBA getting paid less than JetBlue’s contract, we’ll end up in a worse position as a combined group? Doesn’t this mean we NEED snap up to anything JetBlue has prior to TPA/JCBA no matter how long it takes because the “worse position we’ll be in”?
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Old 12-21-2022, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by onedolla
How do they give us “more”? Are you saying that If we go into the JCBA getting paid less than JetBlue’s contract, we’ll end up in a worse position as a combined group? Doesn’t this mean we NEED snap up to anything JetBlue has prior to TPA/JCBA no matter how long it takes because the “worse position we’ll be in”?
Im saying that the less we bring the the table, the more we give up. That’s the union’s position. Take it how you want.
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Old 12-21-2022, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Im saying that the less we bring the the table, the more we give up. That’s the union’s position. Take it how you want.
I wish I could get my head around it. We will never get JB pilots to take a pay cut come JCBA for any of our contract qol, and we’ll “never” give up our qol according our most outspoken pilots (on all platforms). So the JCBA shouldn’t be affected at all since both groups seem to be willing to die on the hill…I really don’t understand what the “worse position we'll be in, as they will be giving us more” means.
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Old 12-21-2022, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by onedolla
I wish I could get my head around it. We will never get JB pilots to take a pay cut come JCBA for any of our contract qol, and we’ll “never” give up our qol according our most outspoken pilots (on all platforms). So the JCBA shouldn’t be affected at all since both groups seem to be willing to die on the hill…I really don’t understand what the “worse position we'll be in, as they will be giving us more” means.
Watch the roadshow and read the FAQ. Or not, I don’t care, but the answers are there.
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Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes
Sounds like more union “spin”

Again, as said 1,000+ times in here, the merger isn’t a definite
Then what's your argument against taking the TA now and if the JetBlue deal fails having more money going into a full Section 6?
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Watch the roadshow and read the FAQ. Or not, I don’t care, but the answers are there.
So you don’t know either?
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So you don’t know either?
I know what the union’s position is. I don’t really agree with it, but they have legitimate concerns.
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