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Old 12-16-2022, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes
Heard there are very few at roadshow today however those there are very ****ed. Anyone have a live link / Facebook watch?
It's not live streamed. Being recorded and then posted on ALPA site.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:20 AM
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Sentiment I got was mec plans to push through the vote despite being short on many fronts and recent events/pilot out cry.

A little surprised they are pushing so hard to get this passed even now after jet blue rather than pulling it and going back to the table for another week or two.

It’s gonna take several weeks to months to see another ta if this goes to vote and fails.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
Sentiment I got was mec plans to push through the vote despite being short on many fronts and recent events/pilot out cry.

A little surprised they are pushing so hard to get this passed even now after jet blue rather than pulling it and going back to the table for another week or two.

It’s gonna take several weeks to months to see another ta if this goes to vote and fails.
Boycott the road shows so they get the message. Keep sending darts.

This TA is trash and should be treated as such. Why waste your time listening to a group SO far out of touch with reality?
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:43 AM
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A friend is in the FLL road show. Based on his commentary, the decision has already been made for us. The road show exists to try and make us like the decision. Not a Chance for us to voice opinions or concerns. This back and forth is wasted effort folks.

This will be your TA. Like it or not. Vote yay or nay. This will be it. Our Union is making that clear.

Time to send DARTS and vote these clowns out. Obviously this MEC and NC doesn’t speak for us!!

PS, SM, JB, time to go!
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SpeedBrakes
A friend is in the FLL road show. Based on his commentary, the decision has already been made for us. The road show exists to try and make us like the decision. Not a Chance for us to voice opinions or concerns. This back and forth is wasted effort folks.

This will be your TA. Like it or not. Vote yay or nay. This will be it. Our Union is making that clear.

Time to send DARTS and vote these clowns out. Obviously this MEC and NC doesn’t speak for us!!

PS, SM, JB, time to go!
A good NC/MEC responds to new and developing events and reacts appropriately. New jb TA definitely changes things and imo significantly sways the vote from probably passing to definitely failing. Not sure why they’d send something out that’ll more than likely fail. They could easily go back and say the response was negative and recent events change the playing field.
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Old 12-16-2022, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
A good NC/MEC responds to new and developing events and reacts appropriately. New jb TA definitely changes things and imo significantly sways the vote from probably passing to definitely failing. Not sure why they’d send something out that’ll more than likely fail. They could easily go back and say the response was negative and recent events change the playing field.
Most likely because they still think it’ll pass. The most vocal of us have surely sent their DARTs and asked them to withdraw this inferior TA. But until their mailboxes are flooded with messages they will try to pass it with the vote. It really is a simple math. If they get rescind darts from 51% of the pilot group then it’ll get pulled. So, keep sending DARTs to NC/MEC and request this TA to be pulled from the vote.
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Most likely because they still think it’ll pass. The most vocal of us have surely sent their DARTs and asked them to withdraw this inferior TA. But until their mailboxes are flooded with messages they will try to pass it with the vote. It really is a simple math. If they get rescind darts from 51% of the pilot group then it’ll get pulled. So, keep sending DARTs to NC/MEC and request this TA to be pulled from the vote.
Why pull the vote? Aside from saving maybe a week of negotiating time considering the holidays, what else would it accomplish? If it really is that bad, won’t a resounding no vote give the MEC/NC more leverage than pulling out of an agreement they made?
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Old 12-16-2022, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1
A good NC/MEC responds to new and developing events and reacts appropriately. New jb TA definitely changes things and imo significantly sways the vote from probably passing to definitely failing. Not sure why they’d send something out that’ll more than likely fail. They could easily go back and say the response was negative and recent events change the playing field.
How is training going?
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Old 12-16-2022, 09:28 AM
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Why pull the vote? Aside from saving maybe a week of negotiating time considering the holidays, what else would it accomplish? If it really is that bad, won’t a resounding no vote give the MEC/NC more leverage than pulling out of an agreement they made?
Why would we give anymore valuable time to a trash TA? It’s 3.5 weeks from now until our vote would close. It doesn’t take that much time to take out the trash!! Get your head out of your ass.
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Old 12-16-2022, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
Why would we give anymore valuable time to a trash TA? It’s 3.5 weeks from now until our vote would close. It doesn’t take that much time to take out the trash!! Get your head out of your ass.
You think management will work during the holidays? I’d be surprised. I feel like a resounding “no” vote would give much more ammunition to the MEC/NC compared to telling the company “we don’t really want this agreement that we made a week ago with you anymore”.

Or are you worried it won’t be a resounding “no”?
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