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#482
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About 400 times.
And if our only leverage is first year pay something went wrong.
And I would be more likely to vote yes for the TA if first year pay & training pay had been decent, because it would be the right thing for the new guys.
So I am all for the company raising it.
It would send the signal that there's more money they are willing to give us.
Better to vote no, and all off us get something better, but stop crying about first year pay.
And if our only leverage is first year pay something went wrong.
And I would be more likely to vote yes for the TA if first year pay & training pay had been decent, because it would be the right thing for the new guys.
So I am all for the company raising it.
It would send the signal that there's more money they are willing to give us.
Better to vote no, and all off us get something better, but stop crying about first year pay.
#483
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Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
#484
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I went to the DTW roadshow. I recommend that everyone go to a roadshow or I believe they will have a streamed one as well. They explain how we got to this point and why they believe this is the best we can get for the short term. They have the ALPA lawyer there, as well as the financial analyst. A lot of your questions and complaints will be answered by the presentation. They also explain why if we do turn this down, we could possibly go into the TPA and the SLI with C2018, which could negatively impact the "career expectations" part of the SLI argument for our side. The ALPA lawyer conveyed that timing really isn't on our side if we turn this down.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
#485
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I went to the DTW roadshow. I recommend that everyone go to a roadshow or I believe they will have a streamed one as well. They explain how we got to this point and why they believe this is the best we can get for the short term. They have the ALPA lawyer there, as well as the financial analyst. A lot of your questions and complaints will be answered by the presentation. They also explain why if we do turn this down, we could possibly go into the TPA and the SLI with C2018, which could negatively impact the "career expectations" part of the SLI argument for our side. The ALPA lawyer conveyed that timing really isn't on our side if we turn this down.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
What did you think they were going to say? Yes they can answer questions and usually about work rule language at these which makes them helpful. This TA was all about the money there’s nothing to clarify. It’s a sales pitch.
There is no way Spirit let’s CBA 2018 continue on to the TPA, which btw very rarely includes pay increase provisions. They cannot afford to not come back to the table in short order. If there is no money to give why not a clause that increases pay when they do have it bc I guarantee when they start reporting quarterlies after this gets voted in there will suddenly be profits.
#486
I went to the DTW roadshow. I recommend that everyone go to a roadshow or I believe they will have a streamed one as well. They explain how we got to this point and why they believe this is the best we can get for the short term. They have the ALPA lawyer there, as well as the financial analyst. A lot of your questions and complaints will be answered by the presentation. They also explain why if we do turn this down, we could possibly go into the TPA and the SLI with C2018, which could negatively impact the "career expectations" part of the SLI argument for our side. The ALPA lawyer conveyed that timing really isn't on our side if we turn this down.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
#487
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
I went to the DTW roadshow. I recommend that everyone go to a roadshow or I believe they will have a streamed one as well. They explain how we got to this point and why they believe this is the best we can get for the short term. They have the ALPA lawyer there, as well as the financial analyst. A lot of your questions and complaints will be answered by the presentation. They also explain why if we do turn this down, we could possibly go into the TPA and the SLI with C2018, which could negatively impact the "career expectations" part of the SLI argument for our side. The ALPA lawyer conveyed that timing really isn't on our side if we turn this down.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
Reserve drops was one of my biggest disappointments as well as many on this board (I'm on reserve right now), but they explained why we didn't get that as well. It was I believe the only goal not achieved in this TA.
One of the goals for the TPA is "economic symmetry" with Jetblue.
Everyone has to do what they think is best, and this isn't what a lot of us were hoping for, but I do trust the negotiating team and the pay gains are significant.
Again, go to a roadshow and make an informed decision.
That’s cool, then the company can spend the next couple years trying to recruit and retain on $60/hr
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its highly doubtful that that we go more than a few more months for negotiations. It doesn't line up with any of the facts. The company came to us early for a new pay contract which means they are hurting and hurting bad. This roadshow seems to be as many have put it "fear mongering" at best. If they believe we vote this thing down now that we may be stuck with the rates were at now, what does that say for the company's intentions to come back to the table in a year and a half should we vote yes?
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