Originally Posted by Judge Smails

At least you can admit you're misinformed...smartass

From the ALPA merger policy:

3. If a decision is made that a transition agreement would benefit flight deck crew members, the subject matter for transition agreement negotiations should include those issues necessary to expeditiously process the merger, including but not limited to the following:

a. Appropriate employee protective provisions for the transfer of employment and seniority rights from one company to another.

b. Management acceptance of the integrated seniority list arrived at pursuant to this policy.

c. Measures to provide for separation of flight operations, equipment, and existing flying of each involved carrier until such time as there is an integrated seniority list and JCBA or until the involved MECs agree otherwise. Any dispute shall be decided by the Executive Council.

d. Process for expeditious negotiation of a JCBA.

e. Economic improvements.

f. Single carrier process for representation purposes.

g. Payment or reimbursement by management of all expenses (including flight pay loss) incurred in connection with the proposed or actual merger.

h. Expedited dispute resolution process, incorporating a process for resolution of disputes between or among the involved MECs, which once resolved will be the position of ALPA with the carrier.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=45274

Read. From the ALPA merger policy. I could copy and paste the portion that speaks of a TPA and economic gains, but may be best to read it all.

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Honest question because this is worded so vaguely, but this would in theory match us up with B6 (in the event they get better rates) after the DOJ signs off on the merger but before we negotiate a JCBA?

Originally Posted by Bgood

What is a TPA?

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

At least you can admit you're misinformed...smartass

From the ALPA merger policy:

3. If a decision is made that a transition agreement would benefit flight deck crew members, the subject matter for transition agreement negotiations should include those issues necessary to expeditiously process the merger, including but not limited to the following:

a. Appropriate employee protective provisions for the transfer of employment and seniority rights from one company to another.

b. Management acceptance of the integrated seniority list arrived at pursuant to this policy.

c. Measures to provide for separation of flight operations, equipment, and existing flying of each involved carrier until such time as there is an integrated seniority list and JCBA or until the involved MECs agree otherwise. Any dispute shall be decided by the Executive Council.

d. Process for expeditious negotiation of a JCBA.

e. Economic improvements.

f. Single carrier process for representation purposes.

g. Payment or reimbursement by management of all expenses (including flight pay loss) incurred in connection with the proposed or actual merger.

h. Expedited dispute resolution process, incorporating a process for resolution of disputes between or among the involved MECs, which once resolved will be the position of ALPA with the carrier.

Originally Posted by Judge Smails

Yes, that's the 'second bite.' The merger is estimated to be approved by the DOJ in the first half of '24. The TPA and next opportunity for a snap to potential new B6 rates would come immediately after that.

Originally Posted by Bgood

You say that with such certainty. TPA does not usually include pay. I use the term "usually" because I've seen folks mentioned that AK/VA got that in theirs (I am not sure). Either way let's compare. How much of an cost increase was that for Alaska (with VA being such a small group)? How much of a cost would it be for Jetblue with a significantly larger group like Spirit?

Here is the kicker. If they can defer that cost to a later date (idk maybe AFTER a JCBA agreement), why would they do it earlier? Because people will leave? Because Culture? Ha! People are leaving Spirit now and you guys/gals have a bigger leverage and won't use it. But I guess it will be used in a TPA, with very little leverage, when at that point whoever is left at Spirit is already committed to staying since they will keep seniority and not start over and eventually get a higher pay down the road(just not at TPA).

Yeah that's clever, and I'm completely misformed. I like your certainty though. Rock on.

Edit: Just spoke to a union rep and it was confirmed that TPA will not and does not include any snap up pay. However, if you or anyone wants to plan on that to justify your vote, go ahead.