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#411
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Also, when do you think you'll get a 2nd bite at the apple? Let's say you believe you'll be back at the table in 1 year for a JCBA. Do you think as soon as negotiations open for a JCBA, there will be a new TA a day after that? A week after that? A month after that? No. It's going to be long and tedious while you sit on the rates you voted in, then you start to fall behind American, United, Delta, Southwest and JetBlue (probably even Frontier too since their amenable date would be coming up).
On average, CBA negotiations take 4 years because mgmt likes to drag it out to wear us down. Look no further than current examples of airlines in negotiations. In our case of merger, they would want it quicker in order to start merging Spirit. Let's say they do it in half the usual time. That's still 2 years + the 1 year that you believe you'd get another bite at the "apple."
So you are, so far, looking at 3 yrs best case scenario with the current AIP rates you are facing. This is not considering the fact that the estimated time JB put out for approval from the DOJ and merge is actual 1.5 years from now, the fact that the merger could drag out in a lawsuit from JB to the DOJ, and JCBA could take longer than the 2 years that I used as an example.
All of this is happening while Spirit guys/gals slowly.......fall.......behind......in......pay... .....again.
So no, you will NOT get a change in pay rate a year from now.
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#415
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But what do you know for a fact?
Utilization is down and mgmt wants to attract more pilots, which is why they are at the table BEFORE your CBA amenable date and quickly decided on new rates. I call that significant leverage. Unless you believe they just love you and want to do so much more for you.
#416
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Stop fear mongering NK doesn't have years to fix the issue they have. They said originally they want to reach a ta by March assuming they haven't changed their position this will still be there goal.
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#418
I will also add this. Can any of us guarantee mgmt will drag out negotiations if NK AIP is voted down? Can we guarantee a quick return to the table? No.
But what do you know for a fact?
Utilization is down and mgmt wants to attract more pilots, which is why they are at the table BEFORE your CBA amenable date and quickly decided on new rates. I call that significant leverage. Unless you believe they just love you and want to do so much more for you.
But what do you know for a fact?
Utilization is down and mgmt wants to attract more pilots, which is why they are at the table BEFORE your CBA amenable date and quickly decided on new rates. I call that significant leverage. Unless you believe they just love you and want to do so much more for you.
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#420
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Better take that AIP result seriously though. Smh
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