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12-11-2022, 08:36 PM
#391
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 256
See above.
I don’t understand this fetish many senior people have about wanting to screw over the newbies. I mean everybody talks about wanting legacy rates - I want that too - but the legacies don’t screw over their newbies (OK, Hawaii excepted).
I’m beginning to suspect it’s some kind of a cult sexual fetish…
I don’t understand this fetish many senior people have about wanting to screw over the newbies. I mean everybody talks about wanting legacy rates - I want that too - but the legacies don’t screw over their newbies (OK, Hawaii excepted).
I’m beginning to suspect it’s some kind of a cult sexual fetish…
It seems like the slope is pretty much parallel from the start. Or should we pay new hires more on the front end only flatten out later? I personally don't understand your fixation with paying "newbies" more. You speak of fetish's yet absolutely NOBODY on this board preaches "newbie" pay more than you! I'm asking a serious question. If we have x amount of dollars to spread around, why not focus it more towards the upper ends where the pilots who want to call this place home for their careers will reap the benefits for many years to come vs increasing pay at the bottom for the pilots that simply want to use the airline as a type rating/stepping stone for a couple years then bail?
12-11-2022, 08:40 PM
#392
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 612
How is this for a plan? We make first year pay a guarantee of 75 hours at $150 an hour starting day one of intro with full insurance benefits. Maybe if the company had to pay more for newbies they’d be willing to pay more to avoid the attrition of those already aboard.
12-11-2022, 09:21 PM
#393
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: A320HD
Posts: 307
I’m a solid no in case anyone’s keeping tally of the keyboard warriors. Amazingly it’s not because we didn’t get DAL pay. While the pay was disappointing enough, the fact that the other gains are dos+1 is a d-slap in the face. Add in the concession (yes it’s a concession just as a Miata is a sports car) on the 1st year pay flexibility and it gets worse. That’s all they want is butts in class and (now greater compensated) instructors to get them online ASAP. They don’t care if people make it to year 3 as Teddy and Bendoritis will be gone and millions richer by then.
12-12-2022, 03:17 AM
#395
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,542
The rates aren’t good but this isn’t accurate. Also, hate em or love em, some work rules like Red/Green, no minimum credit actually have a $ value associated with them and being we haven’t been negotiating for years and our CBA isn’t amendable, the entire point of this was was to increase our pay with work rules intact. This TA falls FARRR short of my expectations but the NC did what was asked. Either don’t come here, leave, or vote NO and get something better.
Last edited by Chimpy; 12-12-2022 at 03:28 AM.
12-12-2022, 03:46 AM
#396
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: C-172
Posts: 463
The rates aren’t good but this isn’t accurate. Also, hate em or love em, some work rules like Red/Green, no minimum credit actually have a $ value associated with them and being we haven’t been negotiating for years and our CBA isn’t amendable, the entire point of this was was to increase our pay with work rules intact. This TA falls FARRR short of my expectations but the NC did what was asked. Either don’t come here, leave, or vote NO and get something better.
12-12-2022, 03:48 AM
#397
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
12-12-2022, 03:56 AM
#398
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 3,283
12-12-2022, 04:00 AM
#399
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
12-12-2022, 04:00 AM
#400
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 655
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