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12-11-2022, 06:34 PM
#384
Banned
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
I'm sorry, but your first paragraph I can't get past. You're suggesting that this isn't the best they could do? Why would they bring us an agreement that they admit they didn't put in the effort? Why wouldn't they do their best the first time out? And why would we want to send the same troops back in expecting better results? That's just goofy.
There is always a time cost to these things. You vote yes on a meh agreement or you send the JV back in with hopes of a catastrophic collapse on part of the opponent. As AT&T used to say, you make the call. As always, everyone will vote or should vote for what's best for their family.
There is always a time cost to these things. You vote yes on a meh agreement or you send the JV back in with hopes of a catastrophic collapse on part of the opponent. As AT&T used to say, you make the call. As always, everyone will vote or should vote for what's best for their family.
12-11-2022, 06:45 PM
#385
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
I find it funny you assumed I was senior. I actually fall into the group that gains the largest raise by percent. So by wanting and advocating for people to vote no I'm fight against my best short term interest. As someone who wants to spend the rest of their career here I can regonize by making a short sacrifice we can gain much more long term and I personally would take take the hit for the long game.
12-11-2022, 06:48 PM
#386
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
It's always been that way up until the last ten years or so.
UPS, I don't believe, ever had an issue with FO's leaving after 9 months because first year was $29. They were committed to being in for the long haul and enjoying the 12 year rate for every year. Kids these days want it all up front for one year and then have a diluted next 25. The times we live in.
Edit.....what TX said above.
UPS, I don't believe, ever had an issue with FO's leaving after 9 months because first year was $29. They were committed to being in for the long haul and enjoying the 12 year rate for every year. Kids these days want it all up front for one year and then have a diluted next 25. The times we live in.
Edit.....what TX said above.
12-11-2022, 06:56 PM
#387
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 91
And you missed the nail again. Still not saying firsts years should be screwed it's bad for everyone at the company for this to be the case. I've always thought the oh I had to go through it so everyone else should to mentality was idiotic. What I and several others are saying if we're going to quite literally let the company bend us over by giving them control of first year rates this will be the last time it can be used to get the best possible rates across the board and considering we're only moving up on the scale it would behoove you to want the same.
12-11-2022, 07:35 PM
#388
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,345
Training pay, no health insurance and first year pay are awful, and there's people that don't come here because of it. But nobody leaves because of it. They leave because 2-12 year pay isn't competitive. If they want people to apply, do something about the first year. If they want people to stay, do something about year 2-12 and reserve rules. TA doesn't do either.
And yes, people are applying, and getting hired. Just flew with a newhire that had 1500TT, pretty much all ASEL when hired at a regional, got another 10 hours in 9 months on the line after his 25 hours of IOE, and got hired at NK. Great guy, but HFJC.
And yes, people are applying, and getting hired. Just flew with a newhire that had 1500TT, pretty much all ASEL when hired at a regional, got another 10 hours in 9 months on the line after his 25 hours of IOE, and got hired at NK. Great guy, but HFJC.
12-11-2022, 08:07 PM
#389
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
And you missed the nail again. Still not saying firsts years should be screwed it's bad for everyone at the company for this to be the case. I've always thought the oh I had to go through it so everyone else should to mentality was idiotic. What I and several others are saying if we're going to quite literally let the company bend us over by giving them control of first year rates this will be the last time it can be used to get the best possible rates across the board and considering we're only moving up on the scale it would behoove you to want the same.
If you simply admitted you don’t give a f*€k about your fellow pilots it was all about you, it’d still be dishonorable but at least it would be logical. But to say it’s bad for everyone but I still want to keep it?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
12-11-2022, 08:13 PM
#390
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
Training pay, no health insurance and first year pay are awful, and there's people that don't come here because of it. But nobody leaves because of it. They leave because 2-12 year pay isn't competitive. If they want people to apply, do something about the first year. If they want people to stay, do something about year 2-12 and reserve rules. TA doesn't do either.
And yes, people are applying, and getting hired. Just flew with a newhire that had 1500TT, pretty much all ASEL when hired at a regional, got another 10 hours in 9 months on the line after his 25 hours of IOE, and got hired at NK. Great guy, but HFJC.
And yes, people are applying, and getting hired. Just flew with a newhire that had 1500TT, pretty much all ASEL when hired at a regional, got another 10 hours in 9 months on the line after his 25 hours of IOE, and got hired at NK. Great guy, but HFJC.
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