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#372
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Harder to swing for who? Personally I’m just not making that public enemy #1 for this TA. Yesterday it was “it isn’t Alaska,” and now it’s “they can slide first year”.
Contrary to the opinion of some on here, maybe raising first year pay either at DOS or sliding it another time, with our deal secured, will help raise the new hire quality we are seeing. Another full flight sim is being added as we speak.
#373
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
What part of once we give them the ability to freely raise first year rates if this ta goes through aren't you getting? Maybe several of us are interpreting the TA wrong but the way it reads is If the TA passes they can just raise first year pay as needed without giving anyone else a pay raise. They could turn around in two months and the company could raise only first year to $110 and everyone else gets nothing.
Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?
In the end, we can vote how we want, and see how the cards play out. I’m tired of going back and forth with coworkers, rather be friends than enemies. Some Legacy guys are still ****ed about past mergers/contracts; don’t want to live like that.
Have a good night guys. Catch you once this dust settles
#374
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
How does one talk like the “smartest one in the room?” I don’t use big words, and my grammar is atrocious. I do know the difference between Paid and Payed, Labor and Laber, unlike our window seat friend above.
Harder to swing for who? Personally I’m just not making that public enemy #1 for this TA. Yesterday it was “it isn’t Alaska,” and now it’s “they can slide first year”.
Contrary to the opinion of some on here, maybe raising first year pay either at DOS or sliding it another time, with our deal secured, will help raise the new hire quality we are seeing. Another full flight sim is being added as we speak.
Harder to swing for who? Personally I’m just not making that public enemy #1 for this TA. Yesterday it was “it isn’t Alaska,” and now it’s “they can slide first year”.
Contrary to the opinion of some on here, maybe raising first year pay either at DOS or sliding it another time, with our deal secured, will help raise the new hire quality we are seeing. Another full flight sim is being added as we speak.
#375
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
As far as new hire FOs…let’s hope!
#376
If this is voted down, consider it an insurance premium on the merger not going through…. If staffing is solved with the first year slide, what leverage do we have going into a non-jcba negotiation? There are MANY things that need to be fixed in our CBA, and I don’t want to bet the farm that the merger will happen. (Full disclosure, I hope it does happen.)
#377
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
I say we send it back and have them come back with something better which I suspect would be within a month of the no vote.
The entire industry changed while this was being negotiated. United had a mutiny, AA sent back an AIP that never even went to a vote and was higher than this, Alaska signed a deal with legacy parity snap up. Delta has an AIP that blows everyone away. JetBlue on the cusp of a deal that will blow us away I suspect. Southwest is a wild card. Frontier won’t have a contract for years bc the company raised first year on its own, added bonuses and is implementing cadet programs modeled after their other portfolio airlines.
Things change and so should our expectations. This isn’t going to be some long drawn out process like usual. Spirit needs this so much more than we do or they wouldn’t offer anything. They are just trying to see what they can get away with.
The entire industry changed while this was being negotiated. United had a mutiny, AA sent back an AIP that never even went to a vote and was higher than this, Alaska signed a deal with legacy parity snap up. Delta has an AIP that blows everyone away. JetBlue on the cusp of a deal that will blow us away I suspect. Southwest is a wild card. Frontier won’t have a contract for years bc the company raised first year on its own, added bonuses and is implementing cadet programs modeled after their other portfolio airlines.
Things change and so should our expectations. This isn’t going to be some long drawn out process like usual. Spirit needs this so much more than we do or they wouldn’t offer anything. They are just trying to see what they can get away with.
#378
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 91
Which is why I asked would you feel different about the TA if it was published 2 days ago and first year pay was already at the number, without any provision for the slide?
Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?
Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?
#379
We’re in the same spot…
#380
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Which is why I asked would you feel different about the TA if it was published 2 days ago and first year pay was already at the number, without any provision for the slide?
Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?
In the end, we can vote how we want, and see how the cards play out. I’m tired of going back and forth with coworkers, rather be friends than enemies. Some Legacy guys are still ****ed about past mergers/contracts; don’t want to live like that.
Have a good night guys. Catch you once this dust settles
Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?
In the end, we can vote how we want, and see how the cards play out. I’m tired of going back and forth with coworkers, rather be friends than enemies. Some Legacy guys are still ****ed about past mergers/contracts; don’t want to live like that.
Have a good night guys. Catch you once this dust settles
It’s not the number. It’s the ability to slide it. Look at frontier. Contract NEVER!
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