Originally Posted by onedolla

Since you talk like the smartest one in the room, would a 100%+ (straight to 137) raise for one group have gone over as well as the 52% they got in this? It seems like that might have been harder to swing which is why it ended up being a 2 step deal to get the pay up.

Originally Posted by Tx Paratroopr

What part of once we give them the ability to freely raise first year rates if this ta goes through aren't you getting? Maybe several of us are interpreting the TA wrong but the way it reads is If the TA passes they can just raise first year pay as needed without giving anyone else a pay raise. They could turn around in two months and the company could raise only first year to $110 and everyone else gets nothing.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

How does one talk like the “smartest one in the room?” I don’t use big words, and my grammar is atrocious. I do know the difference between Paid and Payed, Labor and Laber, unlike our window seat friend above.

Harder to swing for who? Personally I’m just not making that public enemy #1 for this TA. Yesterday it was “it isn’t Alaska,” and now it’s “they can slide first year”.

Contrary to the opinion of some on here, maybe raising first year pay either at DOS or sliding it another time, with our deal secured, will help raise the new hire quality we are seeing. Another full flight sim is being added as we speak.

Originally Posted by onedolla

My mistake. Maybe the way your words come across as slightly condescending, but a lot is lost in translation over the internet. Apologies. I hope you’re right with the new hires, I’ve certainly noticed a trend in the quality of the FOs.

Originally Posted by dualinput

I say we send it back and have them come back with something better which I suspect would be within a month of the no vote.

The entire industry changed while this was being negotiated. United had a mutiny, AA sent back an AIP that never even went to a vote and was higher than this, Alaska signed a deal with legacy parity snap up. Delta has an AIP that blows everyone away. JetBlue on the cusp of a deal that will blow us away I suspect. Southwest is a wild card. Frontier won’t have a contract for years bc the company raised first year on its own, added bonuses and is implementing cadet programs modeled after their other portfolio airlines.

Things change and so should our expectations. This isn’t going to be some long drawn out process like usual. Spirit needs this so much more than we do or they wouldn’t offer anything. They are just trying to see what they can get away with.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Which is why I asked would you feel different about the TA if it was published 2 days ago and first year pay was already at the number, without any provision for the slide?

Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?

Originally Posted by Lakeaffect

Yes exactly. I don’t think it would take more than a month or two for a new better offer. To me it’s like insurance, incase the B6 deal falls through. If I lose out on money because it takes too long, it’s worth it for a snap up clause.

Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

Which is why I asked would you feel different about the TA if it was published 2 days ago and first year pay was already at the number, without any provision for the slide?

Vote this down because of the “slide that prevents us getting more money because of the slide next year”. Ok, so vote it down and management says “ok, move first year to $137 on TA2, done. So the NC is supposed to vote that deal down? It’s better than the TA1 they voted in? Right?

In the end, we can vote how we want, and see how the cards play out. I’m tired of going back and forth with coworkers, rather be friends than enemies. Some Legacy guys are still ****ed about past mergers/contracts; don’t want to live like that.

Have a good night guys. Catch you once this dust settles