PossibleDeviation

Since September they’ve been planning for 120+ each month.

CincoDeMayo

Beautiful. We all know hiring and acquiring pilots isn’t our job. So if they (management) didn’t get enough to attract pilots, that’s their problem. I’m sure our MEC will be willing to entertain an increase in training pay, benefits and first year pay in 2023 when they realize they misjudged. Of course, that will come at a cost.

It’s what we ALL (minus Excargo) have been saying, first year/training pay/benefits is the leverage. The fact management came up short is our best leverage going forward.

Devils advocate; vote this down and maybe management realizes they didn’t improve the bottom enough and wants to improve it for any TA2.

PossibleDeviation

If we vote this in and attrition doesn’t stop all the company will do is raise first year pay to 98.5% of second year because this TA gives them control of year 1 pay. We’ve given away the farm here. It’s a huge concession.

CincoDeMayo

Still, no health care and training pay is still abysmal, along with the simple fact that raising first year to 98% of second year probably won’t do much to slow attrition. Raise first year, ok, second year is still second year. How is attrition at F9 right now with them raising 1st year up earlier this year, still crap.

Saying it’s “giving away the farm” is laughable melodrama.

PossibleDeviation

Not at all. By not having that in our current cba is the only reason we have this TA now. They only have to limp out another 1.5 years with us. They’ll put that bandaid on and deal with it. Let’s just keep giving them whatever they want, right?! You’re laughable

SSlow

They will 100% do that, and sooner rather than later, because $90 will do nothing to stop attrition. Even with that, nobody knows if it will help keep people around.

At that point I believe we will have industry leading first year pay, or close to it, while everyone else lags behind AK rates except for 12 year CAs (the very top of the list is well taken care of here).

CincoDeMayo

Exactly. They only have to limp out another 1.5 years, the same as us with them.

It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.

If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.

Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.

baseball3792

This. But it’s pointless to keep debating it. 20% of the pilot group will vote no on anything (well represented here), another 15% will vote no on this, and the rest will vote yes. I’d be surprised if it fails

BananaHammock

What's being over looked here is that the MEC has our survey results and voted unanimously to approve this. That tells me it will pass 80/20. I know it didn't come near my minimums... Very sad.

PossibleDeviation

They could have already been offering sign on bonuses. Why haven’t they already been doing that then?

they can’t afford to wait, we netted 38 new hires in November when they WANTED 120!! If you don’t think they have another offer in their back pocket you’re crazy. We’re not discount pilots. Don’t take a concessionary contract in this environment.