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#282
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
It’s what we ALL (minus Excargo) have been saying, first year/training pay/benefits is the leverage. The fact management came up short is our best leverage going forward.
Devils advocate; vote this down and maybe management realizes they didn’t improve the bottom enough and wants to improve it for any TA2.
#283
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: Student of the game
Posts: 1,026
Beautiful. We all know hiring and acquiring pilots isn’t our job. So if they (management) didn’t get enough to attract pilots, that’s their problem. I’m sure our MEC will be willing to entertain an increase in training pay, benefits and first year pay in 2023 when they realize they misjudged. Of course, that will come at a cost.
It’s what we ALL (minus Excargo) have been saying, first year/training pay/benefits is the leverage. The fact management came up short is our best leverage going forward.
Devils advocate; vote this down and maybe management realizes they didn’t improve the bottom enough and wants to improve it for any TA2.
It’s what we ALL (minus Excargo) have been saying, first year/training pay/benefits is the leverage. The fact management came up short is our best leverage going forward.
Devils advocate; vote this down and maybe management realizes they didn’t improve the bottom enough and wants to improve it for any TA2.
#284
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Saying it’s “giving away the farm” is laughable melodrama.
#285
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: Student of the game
Posts: 1,026
Still, no health care and training pay is still abysmal, along with the simple fact that raising first year to 98% of second year probably won’t do much to slow attrition. Raise first year, ok, second year is still second year. How is attrition at F9 right now with them raising 1st year up earlier this year, still crap.
Saying it’s “giving away the farm” is laughable melodrama.
Saying it’s “giving away the farm” is laughable melodrama.
#286
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Joined APC: Feb 2019
Position: baller, shot caller
Posts: 1,025
At that point I believe we will have industry leading first year pay, or close to it, while everyone else lags behind AK rates except for 12 year CAs (the very top of the list is well taken care of here).
#287
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Not at all. By not having that in our current cba is the only reason we have this TA now. They only have to limp out another 1.5 years with us. They’ll put that bandaid on and deal with it. Let’s just keep giving them whatever they want, right?! You’re laughable
It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.
If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.
Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.
#288
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 182
Exactly. They only have to limp out another 1.5 years, the same as us with them.
It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.
If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.
Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.
It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.
If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.
Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.
#290
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Position: Student of the game
Posts: 1,026
Exactly. They only have to limp out another 1.5 years, the same as us with them.
It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.
If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.
Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.
It’s why voting this down and assume they will not just roll us into a full section 6, and “limp it out 1.5 years” is a huge risk.
If there was not a highly probably merger on the horizon, I get voting no. They only need to run out the clock, they do t even need to make money. They have enough cash in hand to bleed until the merger. Don’t assume for a second that they won’t just bleed over the finish line, roll us into full section 6, and send a lackey to the table each month, with no plan on any contract.
Or, they say screw it, and instead of paying the costs associated with this TA, they offer nice signing bonuses to newhires outside of the CBA. “Hey Pilots, Spirit is now offering nice signing bonuses, sign up for a 2 year contract and we will pay off your flight school loans”.
they can’t afford to wait, we netted 38 new hires in November when they WANTED 120!! If you don’t think they have another offer in their back pocket you’re crazy. We’re not discount pilots. Don’t take a concessionary contract in this environment.
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