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12-08-2022, 11:08 AM
#82
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12-08-2022, 12:14 PM
#85
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Someone mentioned we should compare our gains to Alaska? Alaska rates are old news and would not stop attrition to Delta, United, AA, etc. and other airlines.
Anything less than the legacies rates will not stop attrition and are an insult to the Spirit pilot group
12-08-2022, 12:44 PM
#86
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Agreed! Due to inflation we need at least 25% increase in the first year for a an actual raise. Yearly Increases after that and Retro pay to reflect the ridiculous inflation since 2020.
Someone mentioned we should compare our gains to Alaska? Alaska rates are old news and would not stop attrition to Delta, United, AA, etc. and other airlines.
Anything less than the legacies rates will not stop attrition and are an insult to the Spirit pilot group
Someone mentioned we should compare our gains to Alaska? Alaska rates are old news and would not stop attrition to Delta, United, AA, etc. and other airlines.
Anything less than the legacies rates will not stop attrition and are an insult to the Spirit pilot group
12-08-2022, 02:24 PM
#89
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which is what that proposal will be a fast no.
I realize that Xcargo wants to give the company relief, but if you give them first year pay, and nothing much for everyone else, you are helping the company and screwing the rest of the Pilot group
yeah I said it. Excargo wants to screw the rest of the pilot group.
I realize that Xcargo wants to give the company relief, but if you give them first year pay, and nothing much for everyone else, you are helping the company and screwing the rest of the Pilot group
yeah I said it. Excargo wants to screw the rest of the pilot group.
Recruiting/retention = not pilot problem.
12-08-2022, 02:33 PM
#90
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Because we have people on here demanding retro for a contract that isnt amendable yet, but want retro for inflation? Haha. The best is ol ExCargo who wants profit sharing, but because we aren't making money, he wants it off the top revenue line.
So to answer your question on why is it so hard for people to understand, its because we have people who are advocating for the above.
The TA will come out tomorrow and the same 4-5 guys will scream at the moon and declare it "dead on arrival." Most will look at it, judge it on its merits as not being a full contract, decide if this is worth taking to the TPA and then the JCBA, and vote accordingly, while avoiding the back and forth with said 4-5 guys who like to call people's opinions "cancer" and "dangerous" if it doesn't line up with theirs.
Hate to break it to those 4-5 guys but the majority of pilots here dont view themselves as the torch bearers of the industry and that Spirit pilots have some responsibility to vote something down because it isnt Delta, with retro, with profit sharing from top line, and handies from hot FAs.
To the 4-5 guys who will be blowing gaskets on this forum starting around late afternoon tomorrow and until the vote is done, have a Happy Festivus for the rest of us.
So to answer your question on why is it so hard for people to understand, its because we have people who are advocating for the above.
The TA will come out tomorrow and the same 4-5 guys will scream at the moon and declare it "dead on arrival." Most will look at it, judge it on its merits as not being a full contract, decide if this is worth taking to the TPA and then the JCBA, and vote accordingly, while avoiding the back and forth with said 4-5 guys who like to call people's opinions "cancer" and "dangerous" if it doesn't line up with theirs.
Hate to break it to those 4-5 guys but the majority of pilots here dont view themselves as the torch bearers of the industry and that Spirit pilots have some responsibility to vote something down because it isnt Delta, with retro, with profit sharing from top line, and handies from hot FAs.
To the 4-5 guys who will be blowing gaskets on this forum starting around late afternoon tomorrow and until the vote is done, have a Happy Festivus for the rest of us.
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