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12-15-2022, 04:17 AM

#411

dickwhitman

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Joined APC: Dec 2021

Posts: 24

So I’ve been a solid no on this TA since day one. But I’m curious.

Are there any people who were on the fence leaning towards yes that will now vote no if B6 comes up with rates that are higher than ours?

Alternatively, if you are still planning on voting yes if this occurs, what is your logic?

12-15-2022, 04:20 AM

#412

FlyGuy2002

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Joined APC: May 2015

Posts: 468

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickwhitman

I’m in that camp. Was a soft yes. B6 rates will more than likely turn me to an easy no. I’m not expecting B6 rates/package to be spectacular but more than likely higher than ours. If that’s the case I’ll be a No.

12-15-2022, 04:35 AM

#413

ScrappyCocoa

Line Holder

Joined APC: Aug 2020

Posts: 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002

Ditto. Too bad we have to wait almost a month before our vote even closes. Wish they could just take this new info and go back for another couple of sessions to enhance our agreement.

12-15-2022, 04:44 AM

#414

Douglas9

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Joined APC: Aug 2011

Position: A320 CA

Posts: 206

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickwhitman

As a “short timer” here with a few years until retirement I was a “Yes” before the JetBlue TA. I wasn’t expecting another contract to happen before I left. I was looking at this as a two year bridge until the big merger TA. Even if the JetBlue TA is a nickel more than ours then I’m a “No” and the NK TA turd must be flushed. It’s the company’s fault for dragging their heals and continuing to use the 1980s negotiating playbook. They could have easily had this done back in July but now the goalposts have moved considerably. We must get exactly what the rates are in the JetBlue TA. Nothing less with no concessions.

12-15-2022, 06:24 AM

#415

Fah2

Banned

Joined APC: Jul 2021

Posts: 551

Even if the B6 TA is underwhelming, which if they are burning the midnight oil I doubt it will be, there shouldn’t be a single captain here who wants to justify why we should trail the industry, AGAIN, for the next 2-3 years.

First year guys, I know it sucks, but we want better for you also. In fact the only remaining yes votes should glaringly indicate “I am a junior FO with apps out and anything we can get now benefits me the most”.

Does not pass by over 80%

12-15-2022, 06:46 AM

#416

Halon1211

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Joined APC: Oct 2017

Posts: 3,283

Quote:

Originally Posted by dickwhitman

Alternatively, if you are still planning on voting yes if this occurs, what is your logic?

My logic is I already got the “VOTE YES” tattooed on my @SS. And I’m too cheap to have it removed so I have to keep my YES vote.

12-15-2022, 06:57 AM

#417

putzin

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Joined APC: Jun 2006

Posts: 1,480

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halon1211

My logic is I already got the “VOTE YES” tattooed on my @SS. And I’m too cheap to have it removed so I have to keep my YES vote.

Lol, you're such a dork.

12-15-2022, 07:17 AM

#418

Halon1211

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Posts: 3,283

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Originally Posted by putzin

Lol, you're such a dork.

lol thanks☺️. I’ll show you next time we fly together.

12-15-2022, 07:20 AM

#419

AllOva736

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Joined APC: Mar 2016

Posts: 612

The fact that they couldn’t at least squeeze in a snap up to JetBlue rates and that we would have to wait until 2024 to get a lot of the gains in this TA is insane. Hey but at least check airman, instructors and 12 year CA’s get theirs immediately… extra firm NO just to spite those greedy ******s

12-15-2022, 07:24 AM

#420

dualinput

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Joined APC: Jul 2021

Posts: 1,035

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllOva736

The 12 yr CA rates are still low for todays market. The check airman override is significantly lower than the United and AA agreements that got sent back.