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Old 12-14-2022, 01:14 PM
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You're assuming the B6/NK merger is approved. If it isn't, then we're stuck with this half-baked TA for years waiting for Franke and Co. to really hose us.
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Old 12-14-2022, 01:16 PM
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This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.
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Old 12-14-2022, 01:48 PM
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This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.
JetBlue first year guys have been making $90 plus an hour for the last four years. They seem to have survived without screwing over their junior people.

And their 12 year 320 CAs make $283 +16% DC - and that’s their CURRENT contract. Again, without screwing over there newbies.
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Old 12-14-2022, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
This will for sure put a very big dent in attrition.

Being able to move first year pay at their will will be cemented in there and we and the JetBlue pilots will have to pay to get it out and the price will be high. It may be 10+ years before we have todays conditions again but that language will come back to haunt us in the future.
Frontiers attrition of new hires was 20% prior to the raise and…..wait for it……20% after the raise. Negligible change. I don’t have access to recruiting numbers. I really don’t think it’s as earth shattering a provision as it’s made out to be. Turns out the entire compensation package in addition to QOL makes the real difference. Sprinkled with a bit of name on the plane no doubt.
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Old 12-14-2022, 02:25 PM
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… and the fear mongering continues…
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Old 12-14-2022, 02:53 PM
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… and the fear mongering continues…
It’s pretty humorous. Regarding the rumors with Frontier…

“Raise first year pay? Leverage gone!” - meanwhile Frontiers new hire attrition unchanged

“You can be sure DFW will be CLOSED if we merge!” -Frontier opens DFW base

“You can be sure Franke and Frontiers negotiation will drag out for YEARS!” -Spirit and Frontier said they hoped to have the merger complete by the end of 2022. TA sent out only after 3 months….

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Old 12-14-2022, 02:58 PM
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Some of yall need to call my good buddy JG Wentworth really bad.
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Old 12-14-2022, 03:23 PM
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Some of yall need to call my good buddy JG Wentworth really bad.
I hear he’s great if you have a structured settlement.
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Old 12-14-2022, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
It’s pretty humorous. Regarding the rumors with Frontier…

“Raise first year pay? Leverage gone!” - meanwhile Frontiers new hire attrition unchanged

“You can be sure DFW will be CLOSED if we merge!” -Frontier opens DFW base

“You can be sure Franke and Frontiers negotiation will drag out for YEARS!” -Spirit and Frontier said they hoped to have the merger complete by the end of 2022. TA sent out only after 3 months….
So this Spirit TA is part of the Spirit Frontier merger? Nice!
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Old 12-14-2022, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
You're assuming the B6/NK merger is approved. If it isn't, then we're stuck with this half-baked TA for years waiting for Franke and Co. to really hose us.
true, there is that risk… but I do think this merger easily gets approved
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