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12-12-2022, 04:55 AM

#371

Chimpy

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Originally Posted by GWY320

I think the negotiating committee intends to include an increase to jetBlue rates as part of the transition process agreement (just reading the tea leaves, most likely wrong).

Does anyone know if there is precedent in prior mergers for that to happen? Hopefully they will be more clear on what they intend to fight for in a TPA.

I believe that is what happened with AK/VA, VA snapped up to AK, and this is the goal for the TPA.

12-12-2022, 06:06 AM

#372

SSlow

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

I believe that is what happened with AK/VA, VA snapped up to AK, and this is the goal for the TPA.

I doubt it, not with this NC.

Whatever we get now we'll be stuck with until the JCBA, which is years down the line.

12-12-2022, 06:27 AM

#373

baseball3792

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Originally Posted by SSlow

I doubt it, not with this NC.

Whatever we get now we'll be stuck with until the JCBA, which is years down the line.

There’s no way you can possibly know that, just like there’s no way you can be sure that management will rush to return to the table if this agreement is voted down. Management might immediately return to the table. They also might agree to raise pay to B6 in a TPA. There is no way to know for sure, and stating anything for certain is fearmongering

12-12-2022, 07:03 AM

#374

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Originally Posted by baseball3792

It's not fearmongering it's one of many probable outcomes. We can all go back and forth and say what if this or that happens it will result in xyz. Most yes voters have a set of beliefs generally that we will be back at the table in 1-2 years and be able to negotiate further pay then. Most no voters believe if we take this TA regardless if we come back to the table in that time frame we lose most if not all our leverage for any meaningful pay increase and manage will drag it out until its time to try to get a jcba which will also take time 4-7 years? Regardless of what each other believe I don't think anyone is fearmongering as much as they are trying to put out a point of view that will sway the other side.

12-12-2022, 08:07 AM

#375

SSlow

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Originally Posted by baseball3792

Yeah, you do have a point

"We'll get 'em next time"

12-12-2022, 08:21 AM

#376

symbian simian

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Originally Posted by GWY320

The NC can intend all they want. Unless the company comes back to the table nothing will happen. Two ways for that to happen: 51%+ votes no, or attrition remains too high. I think for now the company will wait and see because they think this TA is good enough to get people to stay.

12-12-2022, 08:36 AM

#377

Bgood

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Originally Posted by GPullR

You exceeded current legacy pay rates with your AIP.

Bragging about matching 4 year old pay rates isn't saying much for B6

Swing and a miss. I can tell you have outdated/misguided info. Do you know we (B6) are currently in negotiations, and there is no AIP yet? The rates we have now are our current OLD rates. You're sleeping.

And no, it's not my intention to be bragging about anything. My intention is for all of us to be paid fairly, regardless of the business model.

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12-12-2022, 08:44 AM

#378

8JRMfortheyear

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Originally Posted by Bgood

Then let Spirit come up to legacy rates too. After all, the legacies haven't had a pay raise in 4 years.

And you can damn well bet B6 stood up in cold ass NY on the streets and demanded it for most of that journey to legacy rates. You get what you want when you demand it, not settle for what the company is willing to offer. Go to sleep.

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Stand down.... talking to these people is like talking to the wall.

12-14-2022, 07:07 AM

#379

putzin

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Originally Posted by 8JRMfortheyear

Stand down.... talking to these people is like talking to the wall.

Not all of us.

I personally can't give away the leverage we have today for these rates and the lack of a snap up. I will vote -no- but I think this will pass.

If this acquisition falls through we will pay a big price, if it doesn't we look weak. People will vote what's best for them, such is life. Sorry.

12-14-2022, 08:22 AM

#380

Halon1211

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Originally Posted by putzin

I think it’s funny that in the same thought you think this is a crap TA, but if this TA passes using your same logic we should still have plenty of leverage because people would still be leaving.

so in other-words, if the TA passes and the JetBlue merger fails. We go back straight to negotiations and we have just as much leverage. (Because using your logic this is a crappy TA and people will still be leaving anyways)

we are in a win-win situation if we say yes to this TA!