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12-11-2022, 06:57 AM
#341
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It’s $21k for me over the next 6 months. Now, please direct me to where these $21,000 for a “picking up a 2 day or a few turns” are at.
$21,000 is worth about 14-15 hours CA pay a month at current rates, over 6 months. So that’s a 3 day extra each month a CA has to work to make up that cost. Or 3 day trips to make up that each month.
This is not a small drop in the bucket. The math says otherwise.
$21,000 is worth about 14-15 hours CA pay a month at current rates, over 6 months. So that’s a 3 day extra each month a CA has to work to make up that cost. Or 3 day trips to make up that each month.
This is not a small drop in the bucket. The math says otherwise.
12-11-2022, 07:00 AM
#342
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
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Agreed but that's not the argument people are making they are say we aren't delta so we don't get delta rates(not saying we should get delta rates). My assumption would be they are making this point based on the product that delta offers and the model they operate under. I was just pointing out AA operates the same model and does significantly worse and yet can still pay there pilots similar rates.
12-11-2022, 07:11 AM
#343
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,542
Agreed but that's not the argument people are making they are say we aren't delta so we don't get delta rates(not saying we should get delta rates). My assumption would be they are making this point based on the product that delta offers and the model they operate under. I was just pointing out AA operates the same model and does significantly worse and yet can still pay there pilots similar rates.
12-11-2022, 07:35 AM
#346
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
F: Line Adjustment
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
12-11-2022, 07:40 AM
#347
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 91
F: Line Adjustment
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
12-11-2022, 07:42 AM
#348
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2022
Posts: 182
F: Line Adjustment
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
• Pilots may step trade between 60 Credit hours to Monthly maximum plus five in first step only.
• Codified Crew Planning will assign trips as able after Second Step Bid if the Pilot is below 70 Credit hours.
• Codified the “Third Step Bid” process of 48 hours duration at the completion of second step bidding for BBHs to pick up, drop or trade with open flying time trips.
For those wanting a few extra bucks for Alaska rates, maybe keep in mind a contract is more than rates. Anyone here willing to let scheduling give you trips if below 70 hours of credit for the month? Anyone? You get a few more dollars? We want Alaska rates, right? So we get some of the rules too
So who is willing to take this provision for an extra $5 an hour?
12-11-2022, 07:42 AM
#349
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
All costs are relevant in a CBA. Imagine how much they would pay us if we allowed them to work us minimum of 70 hours each month, no drops below. Their staffing problems would be fixed, probably need less pilots going forward.
Rates can’t be viewed in a vacuum.
12-11-2022, 07:48 AM
#350
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 91
If we are comparing what we were offered for rates vs what Alaska was offered (and accepted) after years at the table, you have to take into consideration what they did/game/took to get there. You can’t take rates as apples to apples when they lack work rules in other areas.
All costs are relevant in a CBA. Imagine how much they would pay us if we allowed them to work us minimum of 70 hours each month, no drops below. Their staffing problems would be fixed, probably need less pilots going forward.
Rates can’t be viewed in a vacuum.
All costs are relevant in a CBA. Imagine how much they would pay us if we allowed them to work us minimum of 70 hours each month, no drops below. Their staffing problems would be fixed, probably need less pilots going forward.
Rates can’t be viewed in a vacuum.
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