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12-09-2022, 06:03 AM
#181
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Da Bus, Left
Posts: 1,565
Look, this inflation thing is getting out of hand across the board. No one gets raises that match inflation. Not doctors, not lawyers, not McDonald's, etc. etc. etc.
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
I’m pleased people here realize we have REAL leverage this time around. We should not sell that leverage for suboptimal pay rates in the hopes of getting more in subsequent bargaining, as said subsequent bargaining may not happen or may take a loooooong time. We could potentially be stuck with these rates for some time cementing ourselves at the bottom yet again. People claimed we had leverage prior to C2018 (with a TRO hovering over us?!), this time around is truly different. I was a yes on C2018 (no regrets), I’m in a much better spot now, and am ready to vote no on this…
12-09-2022, 06:13 AM
#182
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 181
Look, this inflation thing is getting out of hand across the board. No one gets raises that match inflation. Not doctors, not lawyers, not McDonald's, etc. etc. etc.
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
Executive compensation consistently exceeds inflation.
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12-09-2022, 06:16 AM
#183
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 556
Because it can't sustain if your costs are the same. Simple. One main reason it works now because overall labor costs are low. If pilots get top pay, don't you think other work groups will want it and deserve it?? There goes business model.
12-09-2022, 06:17 AM
#184
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 181
I’m surprised nobody else hasn’t pointed this out…. Not even Delta’s AIP keeps pace with inflation.
I’m pleased people here realize we have REAL leverage this time around. We should not sell that leverage for suboptimal pay rates in the hopes of getting more in subsequent bargaining, as said subsequent bargaining may not happen or may take a loooooong time. We could potentially be stuck with these rates for some time cementing ourselves at the bottom yet again. People claimed we had leverage prior to C2018 (with a TRO hovering over us?!), this time around is truly different. I was a yes on C2018 (no regrets), I’m in a much better spot now, and am ready to vote no on this…
I’m pleased people here realize we have REAL leverage this time around. We should not sell that leverage for suboptimal pay rates in the hopes of getting more in subsequent bargaining, as said subsequent bargaining may not happen or may take a loooooong time. We could potentially be stuck with these rates for some time cementing ourselves at the bottom yet again. People claimed we had leverage prior to C2018 (with a TRO hovering over us?!), this time around is truly different. I was a yes on C2018 (no regrets), I’m in a much better spot now, and am ready to vote no on this…
I don’t claim to fully grasp their economic package, but according to a delta rep their TA will beat inflation by a bit when the soft pay is included and W2s are compared.
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12-09-2022, 06:18 AM
#185
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Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 69
Honest question. If a company pays employees the same as others, fuel costs what it does, and aircraft cost what they do, what's makes an lcc work? You can't charge $49 for tickets when your operating costs are the same as everybody. Business model doesn't work. You can only count on so many people not realizing they have to pay for bags.
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12-09-2022, 06:28 AM
#186
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 556
Yet you lost money in the 3rd quarter while almost everyone made near record profits. And you want to increase labor costs significantly and think it's sustainable?? This is before a real nickle of merger costs kick in which will be astronomical.
12-09-2022, 06:31 AM
#187
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,823
12-09-2022, 06:39 AM
#188
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,823
Look, this inflation thing is getting out of hand across the board. No one gets raises that match inflation. Not doctors, not lawyers, not McDonald's, etc. etc. etc.
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
12-09-2022, 06:42 AM
#189
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: A320 For Your Health
Posts: 327
Our cost are not the same. Not even close. Labor is a part of that, but so is fixed costs like cheaper real estate, lesser hotels, single type fleet, more efficient motors, higher density seating (and soon to be even more dense), not having clubs, outsourcing every station. Casm is all of that and more. The trouble with your thinking is that every other airline's pay is also going up. It is not like it is just spirit's costs that are going to increase. We match delta pay, that would certainly cause a problem competing with Frontier on cost, but dont ya think Frontier's pilots then wouldnt aim right our scale or better?
12-09-2022, 06:43 AM
#190
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 15
We were utilizing our A/C at 16 hours a day and now has dropped to around 10 because of having to reduce schedules. We don’t have the bodies to fly the new aircraft coming in. You pay market rate, our attrition will slow, hiring will be where it should and AC utilization with get back to more profitable levels.
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