AIP reached
12-09-2022, 03:46 AM
#161
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Posts: 30
Genuine question, the TA gets voted down for whatever reason, don’t we run a very real risk of not getting a new contract until the JCBA? The economy is expected to get worse and the company could use that as an excuse to not negotiate a CBA until the merger? What are y’all’s thoughts?
And before I get called a troll, I’m not lol I believe we should get paid industry leading to fly the same airplane with even more people onboard.
With that said, would love to hear y’all’s thoughts
And before I get called a troll, I’m not lol I believe we should get paid industry leading to fly the same airplane with even more people onboard.
With that said, would love to hear y’all’s thoughts
If you have been a spirit longer then 5 years you know how spirit management negotiates contracts. It takes forever. The fact that they have come to the table before our contract is even over is mind blowing and should show how desperate they are right now to fill seats. Anyone here that can’t see this is blind. Our aircraft utilization has never been lower because we don’t have the pilots. Which is why we are not profitable. If we vote this down and management doesn’t come back to the table. There may not be an airline for JB to buy next year. We absolutely will get another offer from management. I have never seen them this desperate. Open your eyes guys! The time is right now. Not a year from now when we might be merging with JB.
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12-09-2022, 04:01 AM
#162
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 15
If you have time, take a look at the SWA forum about the Delta AIP. The majority are calling it crap and looking for 40% or more in raises. The difference in mindset is unbelievable. It’s sad that a portion of our pilot group believe that we belong at the bottom. We are destined for subpar rates and a steep rise in attrition.
12-09-2022, 04:08 AM
#163
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 193
I think the bigger issue here is if the negotiators agreed to an AIP on day one with two more days to negotiate that is less than Alaska, and if the MEC votes to send it to us, if it fails, which it should, we should immediately recall the MEC and once a new one is in get a completely new set of negotiators. It will add time but I think it could be worth it. We should be ready to pull that trigger quick. I’m guessing it starts at the rep level.
12-09-2022, 04:19 AM
#164
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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If you have been a spirit longer then 5 years you know how spirit management negotiates contracts. It takes forever. The fact that they have come to the table before our contract is even over is mind blowing and should show how desperate they are right now to fill seats. Anyone here that can’t see this is blind. Our aircraft utilization has never been lower because we don’t have the pilots. Which is why we are not profitable. If we vote this down and management doesn’t come back to the table. There may not be an airline for JB to buy next year. We absolutely will get another offer from management. I have never seen them this desperate. Open your eyes guys! The time is right now. Not a year from now when we might be merging with JB.
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12-09-2022, 04:37 AM
#165
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Position: A320 For Your Health
Posts: 327
Yes correct because legacy pay does matter. Not sure why people are saying otherwise, but the legacies are our peer group. This was established by a federal mediator. And every time their pay goes up, so should our pay. I cant believe how many people are anti the pattern-bargaining concept. Bendo knows with every day they delay, the numbers rise, and the company's situation becomes worse. I have this orange lanyard claiming we're "building our legacy." Alaska, let alone Jet Blue rates, is not building any legacy i would be proud of.
12-09-2022, 04:45 AM
#166
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 175
New details leaked by LEC person (heard second had in ORD)
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
12-09-2022, 04:47 AM
#167
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Joined APC: May 2019
Posts: 988
Yes correct because legacy pay does matter. Not sure why people are saying otherwise, but the legacies are our peer group. This was established by a federal mediator. And every time their pay goes up, so should our pay. I cant believe how many people are anti the pattern-bargaining concept. Bendo knows with every day they delay, the numbers rise, and the company's situation becomes worse. I have this orange lanyard claiming we're "building our legacy." Alaska, let alone Jet Blue rates, is not building any legacy i would be proud of.
building our legacy also means building on these 3 opportunities we have. Get a chunk each time.
12-09-2022, 04:50 AM
#168
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 15
New details leaked by LEC person (heard second had in ORD)
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
I’ve heard the same. It will be a no. This isn’t even close to matching inflation.
12-09-2022, 05:05 AM
#169
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 933
New details leaked by LEC person (heard second had in ORD)
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
1st year $90
2nd year $145
6th year CA $270
12 year CA $305
Company pushing Red Eyes, offering extra $15/hr for those who do them. Guess they want to start doing more red eyes from what i've heard.
Looks like a NO from me.......but need to see complete agreement before making decision.
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12-09-2022, 05:09 AM
#170
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: Airbus
Posts: 52
Find me a job field that consistently paces inflation. You can't cuz there isn't one.
This post has nothing to do with whatever rates were about to get handed. This has everything to do with the "doesn't match inflation" claims that have hit these boards so hard lately (and not just the Spirit board)
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