AIP reached
12-08-2022, 08:33 PM
#151
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dumb analogy
the Coca Cola corporate lawyer is likely going to have to contend with a much more complex veil of legal matters, will have to be abreast of far more details in the various proceedings, and immensely more money will be at risk if he/she doesn’t perform vs. the feed store lawyer.
the Spirit and Delta A 320 pilot fly the same aircraft over a similar network while adhering to the same regulations.
the Coca Cola corporate lawyer is likely going to have to contend with a much more complex veil of legal matters, will have to be abreast of far more details in the various proceedings, and immensely more money will be at risk if he/she doesn’t perform vs. the feed store lawyer.
the Spirit and Delta A 320 pilot fly the same aircraft over a similar network while adhering to the same regulations.
The best reason to demand delta pay is not because we do the same work, or some random QOL arguments. It’s because we have leverage right now and we should use it to extract the best possible payscale. But that leverage may not yield us delta pay rates. We will find out soon enough. Delta pilots primarily used the RLA process and public pressure as their form of leverage, which is different than our leverage.
12-08-2022, 08:44 PM
#152
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I was thinking about this earlier. Non trolling question. I imagine they’ll leave it at over a year on property to vote right? I’m only curious because at previous REDACTED airlines, they let those with 6+ months vote. Probably because the year 1 guys made up roughly 50% of our pilot group. Doing the math here, about 25% of the pilot group is year 1. I think I’ll be a few days short to vote, so you bastards better not ******* it up.
12-08-2022, 08:58 PM
#153
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Position: NK CA
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Genuine question, the TA gets voted down for whatever reason, don’t we run a very real risk of not getting a new contract until the JCBA? The economy is expected to get worse and the company could use that as an excuse to not negotiate a CBA until the merger? What are y’all’s thoughts?
And before I get called a troll, I’m not lol I believe we should get paid industry leading to fly the same airplane with even more people onboard.
With that said, would love to hear y’all’s thoughts
And before I get called a troll, I’m not lol I believe we should get paid industry leading to fly the same airplane with even more people onboard.
With that said, would love to hear y’all’s thoughts
12-08-2022, 09:44 PM
#155
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The whole idea is dumb. In our society, the highest paid individuals are usually the ones who work the least. Your pay has nothing to do with the work you do and everything to do with your market value. Pilots of different airlines may well have different market value (historically, regional pilots got paid the least and legacy pilots the most, though it all seems to be converging now).
The best reason to demand delta pay is not because we do the same work, or some random QOL arguments. It’s because we have leverage right now and we should use it to extract the best possible payscale. But that leverage may not yield us delta pay rates. We will find out soon enough. Delta pilots primarily used the RLA process and public pressure as their form of leverage, which is different than our leverage.
The best reason to demand delta pay is not because we do the same work, or some random QOL arguments. It’s because we have leverage right now and we should use it to extract the best possible payscale. But that leverage may not yield us delta pay rates. We will find out soon enough. Delta pilots primarily used the RLA process and public pressure as their form of leverage, which is different than our leverage.
12-08-2022, 09:46 PM
#156
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Exactly. If they wanted to stall until a JCBA they’d be doing it right now. They aren’t at the table because they want to give us money. They need to.
12-08-2022, 09:50 PM
#157
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This is true. Two year deal, Alaska rates with a handful of "nuggets" thrown in (LAS guys will be happy). It will pass. We'll never match Delta. I know its cliche, but if you want Delta pay, go there! If you can't get on now, there must be an issue! Also focus is retaining pilots, First year will still suffer.
12-08-2022, 11:35 PM
#159
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If our NC negotiated and worse our reps send something that bad to us it’s time to clean house. While that would be a time consuming task normally, spirits attrition problem only gets worse as the dominos on new agreements fall and I expect a real AIP materializes on short order.
And let’s just stop talking about Alaska. The JetBlue guys aren’t asking for or expecting that and neither should we. Delta is the new benchmark. What is so hard for pilots to understand about that.
And let’s just stop talking about Alaska. The JetBlue guys aren’t asking for or expecting that and neither should we. Delta is the new benchmark. What is so hard for pilots to understand about that.
12-09-2022, 02:51 AM
#160
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Jetblue is licking their lips reading how much NK pilots undervalue themselves. Hopefully this I'm okay with less is just the vocal minority.
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