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#131
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Each pilot group and company are different with different work rules. I expect our company being part of a lcc model rather than whatever model the legacies follow to be in line with other lcc contract. We won’t get delta or united or American pay. But we have more lenient work rules and a lot more flexibility than they do. You want their pay play by their rules, if spirit doesn’t want to play their rules be act like a legacies you have to be realistic in this is the company you work for. Spirit doesn’t have nearly the market share or capital that delta does. If you want delta pay work for delta. If you don’t wanna work for delta because you don’t like their bases or their work rules that’s your choice. You choose to work for a lcc and you’re giving up pay to have the qol you want. I didn’t come to spirit because they had the best pay I came because they offered a livable wage that can support the life I want to live and gave me the best qol at the time. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Delta pilot even with “new industry leading pay” certainly give up a lot to get that pay and they work for it.
Your posts week of someone that just came from Skywest and has zero clue. I’m sorry but what product the company is selling aft of the cockpit door doesn’t change my responsibility one bit and rationalizing getting paid less because of it is absurd.
I say again, have you read our contract and deltas side by side. The spirit QOL is a myth. News flash if spirit fixes its attrition problems your dropping to pick up 200% days are numbered. Go ahead and ask some captains.
We have some good things and they have some good things. Spirit DOES NOT have any kind of superior QOL to most major airlines. Fact is we are compensated much less and that is irrefutable.
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So who’s paying for these pay rates? Is this something that JB will inherit after the merger? Does JB have say in any of this? I wonder if JB tries to get out of the merger once they realize that its going to be a huge loss from a financial perspective for them?
#135
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Naw. Their pilots are going to get a likely larger raise. These costs were certainly baked into their agreement.
#136
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I think your assumption is that there wouldn’t be a fails safe that if the merger fails we go back to the table. This is probably at best a 2 year deal assuming we either merge and negotiate a jcba or the merger fails and we go back to the table with spirit. So no I doubt these rates should be considered longer term
#137
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Have you ever worked for an airline or for spirit for more than two minutes. Back to the table with spirit management when their attrition problem isn’t nearly as pronounced means spending months cutting up paragraphs about jury duty just to end up where we started months prior. Multiply that by 31 sections. What we vote in this time around will be the last CBA we have with spirit management or it will be the one we have with them for 5-8 years. We’ve never had more leverage. If we don’t realize that it’s on us. I am glad you don’t have a vote. Unfortunately your toxic attitude has much more reach.
I expect this deal to be between JetBlue and Alaska rates, I expect the MEC to send it to the pilots, and I expect the pilots to vote it in roughly 65-35. I hope I’m wrong and that it is Alaska or better (or that there’s more backbone). We’ll find out tomorrow.
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You know what costs a ton more than industry leading pay? Airplanes that sit idle when they are supposed to be flying and generating revenue. JetBlue CEO already said publicly that they want to compete with legacies and that means pilots as well. Pilot costs wouldn’t break this merger. You’re either trolling or have zero clue like the other guy.
#139
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Do realize that most first year pilots just want a pay raise, and will say a lot to try to convince you to give it to them, however short sighted it may be.
I expect this deal to be between JetBlue and Alaska rates, I expect the MEC to send it to the pilots, and I expect the pilots to vote it in roughly 65-35. I hope I’m wrong and that it is Alaska or better (or that there’s more backbone). We’ll find out tomorrow.
I expect this deal to be between JetBlue and Alaska rates, I expect the MEC to send it to the pilots, and I expect the pilots to vote it in roughly 65-35. I hope I’m wrong and that it is Alaska or better (or that there’s more backbone). We’ll find out tomorrow.
And let’s just stop talking about Alaska. The JetBlue guys aren’t asking for or expecting that and neither should we. Delta is the new benchmark. What is so hard for pilots to understand about that.
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Each pilot group and company are different with different work rules. I expect our company being part of a lcc model rather than whatever model the legacies follow to be in line with other lcc contract. We won’t get delta or united or American pay. But we have more lenient work rules and a lot more flexibility than they do. You want their pay play by their rules, if spirit doesn’t want to play their rules be act like a legacies you have to be realistic in this is the company you work for. Spirit doesn’t have nearly the market share or capital that delta does. If you want delta pay work for delta. If you don’t wanna work for delta because you don’t like their bases or their work rules that’s your choice. You choose to work for a lcc and you’re giving up pay to have the qol you want. I didn’t come to spirit because they had the best pay I came because they offered a livable wage that can support the life I want to live and gave me the best qol at the time. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Delta pilot even with “new industry leading pay” certainly give up a lot to get that pay and they work for it.
I’m glad you can’t vote.
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