Why would anyone come here now? Serious Q
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Why would anyone come here now? Serious Q
It's no longer "better than a regional". Legacies are hiring just as easy and have significantly faster upgrade times.
Why is any new hire coming here currently?
If any recent new hires could chime in or people with upcoming class dates?
Things have changed so drastically there must be some piece of this puzzle that I am missing.
Why is any new hire coming here currently?
If any recent new hires could chime in or people with upcoming class dates?
Things have changed so drastically there must be some piece of this puzzle that I am missing.
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It's no longer "better than a regional". Legacies are hiring just as easy and have significantly faster upgrade times.
Why is any new hire coming here currently?
If any recent new hires could chime in or people with upcoming class dates?
Things have changed so drastically there must be some piece of this puzzle that I am missing.
Why is any new hire coming here currently?
If any recent new hires could chime in or people with upcoming class dates?
Things have changed so drastically there must be some piece of this puzzle that I am missing.
There’s also the prospect that regional pay is only going to outpace spirit for a couple months as they are negotiating new rates as well. I don’t see their pay being less than regional pay once all is said and done. Needless to say even at the current rate by the end of year 2 at spirit you’ve basically broken even since youre $30/hr less than first year and about $30/hr more year two. By year 3 you’re making captain level pay at the regional. (I know I’m stretching some numbers but I’m not splitting hairs over a few dollars.)
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Not a new hire and don't work for NK, but work for someone very similar. I think the big attraction is FL/NV bases since legacies don't have bases there (besides aa and swa). Rumor is UA is looking into FL base, that will definitely be a game changer for NK/B6 and F9. Depending on equipment it will probably go sr on CA side and much more obtainable on FO side.
Personally I think all of the attrition is in our favor, we have 30+ 321NEOs scheduled for 2023. Management knows pay needs to be addressed yesterday.
Personally I think all of the attrition is in our favor, we have 30+ 321NEOs scheduled for 2023. Management knows pay needs to be addressed yesterday.
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I gave up $30/hr in pay to come here. Simply put better qol. I live in and near a second one. The second would be a faster path to a legacy. Regional FOs sure are getting paid but aren’t getting hours and it’s looking like 4+ years to get the hours to be competitive at legacies. Not to mention legacies will look more favorably at you since they see it as taking a pilot from a competitor.
There’s also the prospect that regional pay is only going to outpace spirit for a couple months as they are negotiating new rates as well. I don’t see their pay being less than regional pay once all is said and done. Needless to say even at the current rate by the end of year 2 at spirit you’ve basically broken even since youre $30/hr less than first year and about $30/hr more year two. By year 3 you’re making captain level pay at the regional. (I know I’m stretching some numbers but I’m not splitting hairs over a few dollars.)
There’s also the prospect that regional pay is only going to outpace spirit for a couple months as they are negotiating new rates as well. I don’t see their pay being less than regional pay once all is said and done. Needless to say even at the current rate by the end of year 2 at spirit you’ve basically broken even since youre $30/hr less than first year and about $30/hr more year two. By year 3 you’re making captain level pay at the regional. (I know I’m stretching some numbers but I’m not splitting hairs over a few dollars.)
No. Year 3 CA pay now at regionals is in the realm of 140-150/hr. Year 3 FO pay here is 122.60. That is NO WHERE close to the same rate. Didn't realize 20-30/hr is splitting hairs.... With the looming merger, if hired now, you won't be upgrading before then. So the quickest anyone is upgrading is atleast 5 years at this point.
There is literally no reason to come to Spirit anymore.
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This is purely an opinion. Spirit has lost about 90 pilots to each AA, UA and DL this year. That's only ~270 pilots. That's less than one months' hiring totals at the big 3. Compare that to regional pilots that have gotten on. There is a MUCH larger percentage that have gotten picked up from the regionals. I'd guess that 60-70% of the Spirit pilot group has their apps out. If the legacies really cared about hurting us they would literally just empty the seniority list... But they don't. Many people here aren't getting calls.
No. Year 3 CA pay now at regionals is in the realm of 140-150/hr. Year 3 FO pay here is 122.60. That is NO WHERE close to the same rate. Didn't realize 20-30/hr is splitting hairs.... With the looming merger, if hired now, you won't be upgrading before then. So the quickest anyone is upgrading is atleast 5 years at this point.
There is literally no reason to come to Spirit anymore.
No. Year 3 CA pay now at regionals is in the realm of 140-150/hr. Year 3 FO pay here is 122.60. That is NO WHERE close to the same rate. Didn't realize 20-30/hr is splitting hairs.... With the looming merger, if hired now, you won't be upgrading before then. So the quickest anyone is upgrading is atleast 5 years at this point.
There is literally no reason to come to Spirit anymore.
As for the pay you can add in the fact that it’s easy to credit more than mmg and pick up double pay. My previous carrier it was common for a first year to to finish with 150hrs on the year. That’s 0 career progression in my mind. Soft pay is just as important. While you cant count on it to pay your bills the reality is first year it’s pretty easy to finish at the same yearly pay or close to it and year two you’re already making up that difference. If we see a pay increase in the next 3-6 months that just be icing on the cake.
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What quality of life? Junior FOs here can’t do anything during IOT and the reserve grid goes red quickly in the junior bases, so forget about DOT. Those 10 hour 3 days with redeyes certainly don’t add to my quality of life.
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*MOST* being the key word there but ERJ line holders at Skywest and republic are getting 15-16 days off and 85-90 hours credit @ $90+ an hour. Sorry but the QOL argument has gone by the wayside as well. They also aren’t doing 10hr 3 day and 15 4 day trips like we are doing here at Spirit.
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*MOST* being the key word there but ERJ line holders at Skywest and republic are getting 15-16 days off and 85-90 hours credit @ $90+ an hour. Sorry but the QOL argument has gone by the wayside as well. They also aren’t doing 10hr 3 day and 15 4 day trips like we are doing here at Spirit.
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