Why would anyone come here now? Serious Q
#21
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 189
I wouldn't particularly call it 'thriving', but it sure as hell beats a Regional. Are there things I could complain about? Sure. Are there things I would like to see be done differently? Sure.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
#22
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
I wouldn't particularly call it 'thriving', but it sure as hell beats a Regional. Are there things I could complain about? Sure. Are there things I would like to see be done differently? Sure.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
#23
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 465
I wouldn't particularly call it 'thriving', but it sure as hell beats a Regional. Are there things I could complain about? Sure. Are there things I would like to see be done differently? Sure.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.
I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.
#25
Reserve is much, much worse at Regionals. Not only that, depending on your base, holding a Line is exponentially better than being at a Regional.
It's also absolutely untrue that 'Junior FO's' can't do anything in IOT. Firstly, we both know it depends on your base. Secondly, the only part of the Reserve Grid that goes Red during DoT is weekends; which you shouldn't be expecting to get anyway as a Junior FO. Thirdly, even the first month you can hold a line you can avoid redeyes. Even if you get one, you can downtrade into other trips to avoid such a thing. Could you possibly get one? Sure.
I don't understand why you're talking like the world is about to end, especially when what you said is absolutely untrue or could be true depending upon your particular situation.
It also blows my mind while people talk so much crap about an airline, apparently hate it so much, yet don't leave; especially in this environment.
It's also absolutely untrue that 'Junior FO's' can't do anything in IOT. Firstly, we both know it depends on your base. Secondly, the only part of the Reserve Grid that goes Red during DoT is weekends; which you shouldn't be expecting to get anyway as a Junior FO. Thirdly, even the first month you can hold a line you can avoid redeyes. Even if you get one, you can downtrade into other trips to avoid such a thing. Could you possibly get one? Sure.
I don't understand why you're talking like the world is about to end, especially when what you said is absolutely untrue or could be true depending upon your particular situation.
It also blows my mind while people talk so much crap about an airline, apparently hate it so much, yet don't leave; especially in this environment.
#26
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 189
Aside from ready reserve, our reserve is exactly the same as it is at a regional. It might actually be worse, due to the amount of 1 and 2 day trips here. Lots of back and forth to the airport. The world isn't ending here, but let's look at the big picture: Most of us came here for quality of life and bases. Both have been eroded over the last 7-8 months. Trips are inefficient, and we work more days for less pay. A new hire at Mesa will get around 40-50k more in their first year. FWIW, I am leaving, I am just waiting on a class date.
I understand a lot of people came here for the QoL. I did the same. However, I also understand that the last 1-2 years aren't typical times. Even when I started here, you could drop literally anything and everything, no matter the base. That isn't exactly the case now, but to say that other Legacies / Majors don't also have that same problem is just being oblivious.
#27
Our reserve people only get 12 days off, not sure what you are referencing? I bet the 100s of captains displaced out of their base who are now commuters love those 1-2 day trips. Must be a dream to commute from ORD or DFW to ATL or FLL and spend a fortune in Ubers back and forth to the airport.
#28
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 189
Our reserve people only get 12 days off, not sure what you are referencing? I bet the 100s of captains displaced out of their base who are now commuters love those 1-2 day trips. Must be a dream to commute from ORD or DFW to ATL or FLL and spend a fortune in Ubers back and forth to the airport.
Make no mistake about it. I'm not defending what the company does. My base is getting downgraded too. My original point was to say that Spirit still is not a bad place to be. If you want to move on that is fine, but is still is largely better than any Regional. Pay rates are one thing, but there are many more factors involved.
#29
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 417
Spirit Reservists get 12 days off? Since when? I think you should check the people below your seniority. You know, those that actually know what it is like, as opposed to those that act like they know what they're talking about.
Make no mistake about it. I'm not defending what the company does. My base is getting downgraded too. My original point was to say that Spirit still is not a bad place to be. If you want to move on that is fine, but is still is largely better than any Regional. Pay rates are one thing, but there are many more factors involved.
Make no mistake about it. I'm not defending what the company does. My base is getting downgraded too. My original point was to say that Spirit still is not a bad place to be. If you want to move on that is fine, but is still is largely better than any Regional. Pay rates are one thing, but there are many more factors involved.
I just checked my schedule and yep, 12 off next month. Looks like the company is following 12.E.1.
4.5 hours of credit per day and a min guarantee of 72 makes this pretty simple to figure out. But you probably knew this right? (4.C.1.b)
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