Originally Posted by onedolla

Glad to hear you’re thriving.

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

I wouldn't particularly call it 'thriving', but it sure as hell beats a Regional. Are there things I could complain about? Sure. Are there things I would like to see be done differently? Sure.

But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.

I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

I wouldn't particularly call it 'thriving', but it sure as hell beats a Regional. Are there things I could complain about? Sure. Are there things I would like to see be done differently? Sure.

But saying extreme things like "Why would anyone want to come here" is just short-sided. Everyone wants everything to better, always. Go talk to some AA guys, whom are much higher paid than us, and ask how they're doing. They make a lot more money. Do you think they're happier? Their not.

I personally do not care about working at the highest paid airline, as long as it is compensated with QoL; which Spirit is probably at the Top 3 at (given the current hiring environment). If all you care about is working at the highest paid airline, Spirit will never be for you.

Originally Posted by sioux8ships

Bendo, is that you? Did you become a FO?

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

Reserve is much, much worse at Regionals. Not only that, depending on your base, holding a Line is exponentially better than being at a Regional.

It's also absolutely untrue that 'Junior FO's' can't do anything in IOT. Firstly, we both know it depends on your base. Secondly, the only part of the Reserve Grid that goes Red during DoT is weekends; which you shouldn't be expecting to get anyway as a Junior FO. Thirdly, even the first month you can hold a line you can avoid redeyes. Even if you get one, you can downtrade into other trips to avoid such a thing. Could you possibly get one? Sure.

I don't understand why you're talking like the world is about to end, especially when what you said is absolutely untrue or could be true depending upon your particular situation.

It also blows my mind while people talk so much crap about an airline, apparently hate it so much, yet don't leave; especially in this environment.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Aside from ready reserve, our reserve is exactly the same as it is at a regional. It might actually be worse, due to the amount of 1 and 2 day trips here. Lots of back and forth to the airport. The world isn't ending here, but let's look at the big picture: Most of us came here for quality of life and bases. Both have been eroded over the last 7-8 months. Trips are inefficient, and we work more days for less pay. A new hire at Mesa will get around 40-50k more in their first year. FWIW, I am leaving, I am just waiting on a class date.

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

How is getting only 12 days off at a Regional better than being on Reserve at Spirit, again? I'm not sure if you're aware, but I think a fair amount of people like 1-2 day trips. Oddly enough, the most senior people in this company solely bid Locals.

Originally Posted by JulesWinfield

Our reserve people only get 12 days off, not sure what you are referencing? I bet the 100s of captains displaced out of their base who are now commuters love those 1-2 day trips. Must be a dream to commute from ORD or DFW to ATL or FLL and spend a fortune in Ubers back and forth to the airport.

Originally Posted by E6BAV8R

Spirit Reservists get 12 days off? Since when? I think you should check the people below your seniority. You know, those that actually know what it is like, as opposed to those that act like they know what they're talking about.

Make no mistake about it. I'm not defending what the company does. My base is getting downgraded too. My original point was to say that Spirit still is not a bad place to be. If you want to move on that is fine, but is still is largely better than any Regional. Pay rates are one thing, but there are many more factors involved.