Back in the black…
11-03-2022, 05:07 PM
#41
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Who doesn’t want it for all on the list? I’ve ALWAYS wanted it for all on the list. I just don’t think holding newbies hostage at pi$$ poor rates and no insurance as a negotiating tactic is the right way to treat our fellow pilots and you have never convinced my I’m wrong. Nor has that tactic proven particularly effective it seems since ‘all on the list’ still hasn’t gotten anything beyond the last contract.
If that was such a brilliant tactic one would think management would have caved by now.
So how long must your screw the newbies scheme have to not work before you’ll admit it’s not working?
If that was such a brilliant tactic one would think management would have caved by now.
So how long must your screw the newbies scheme have to not work before you’ll admit it’s not working?
It absolutely is working. It’s why our attrition is through the roof. It’s the only reason management is even talking to us right now!!!
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11-03-2022, 06:41 PM
#42
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if it were working, we’d have more pay. You might argue that it WILL work but just hasn’t worked YET, but if you do that you still have to answer the question:
How long will this have to not work before you admit it’s not working? Because until you see it on a pay slip, it isn’t working.
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11-03-2022, 08:26 PM
#43
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if it were working, we’d have more pay. You might argue that it WILL work but just hasn’t worked YET, but if you do that you still have to answer the question:
How long will this have to not work before you admit it’s not working? Because until you see it on a pay slip, it isn’t working.
11-04-2022, 04:54 AM
#45
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Who doesn’t want it for all on the list? I’ve ALWAYS wanted it for all on the list. I just don’t think holding newbies hostage at pi$$ poor rates and no insurance as a negotiating tactic is the right way to treat our fellow pilots and you have never convinced my I’m wrong. Nor has that tactic proven particularly effective it seems since ‘all on the list’ still hasn’t gotten anything beyond the last contract.
If that was such a brilliant tactic one would think management would have caved by now.
So how long must your screw the newbies scheme have to not work before you’ll admit it’s not working?
If that was such a brilliant tactic one would think management would have caved by now.
So how long must your screw the newbies scheme have to not work before you’ll admit it’s not working?
11-04-2022, 05:53 AM
#47
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Man you are just ate up with dumb. If management were allowed to just raise 1st year pay, do you think they would be negotiating anything right now? Nope, we would be on the slow roll with punt after punt till Jetblue takes over. Management is already checked out as it is. They are only doing this in order not to implode the place so they can get their $$$$.
You know, it’s funny, AS doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but AS just got a much better payscale than NK. B6 doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but they have a higher payscale than NK. None of the big four screw over their first year pilots, but they all have higher payscales than NK.
I again ask the question:
How long must this tactic not work before you’ll admit it’s not working? Because it sure hasn’t worked yet.
11-04-2022, 05:56 AM
#48
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Management “allowed to raise first year pay” is a tacit admission that it is the NK pilot group, not management, that is screwing over our first year pilots.
You know, it’s funny, AS doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but AS just got a much better payscale than NK. B6 doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but they have a higher payscale than NK. None of the big four screw over their first year pilots, but they all have higher payscales than NK.
I again ask the question:
How long must this tactic not work before you’ll admit it’s not working? Because it sure hasn’t worked yet.
You know, it’s funny, AS doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but AS just got a much better payscale than NK. B6 doesn’t screw over their junior pilots, but they have a higher payscale than NK. None of the big four screw over their first year pilots, but they all have higher payscales than NK.
I again ask the question:
How long must this tactic not work before you’ll admit it’s not working? Because it sure hasn’t worked yet.
I suggest you get on the next yellow plane to FLL and Uber over to Miramar. Bendo will welcome you in with open arms.
11-04-2022, 06:09 AM
#50
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Good first year pay and insurance is great. However, it's ONE YEAR. If you really want to be here and it's worth it, you'll slog it out for one year on sub par pay just like the rest of us did. And with at least half the list having done it at $38.50/hr or less.
I suggest you get on the next yellow plane to FLL and Uber over to Miramar. Bendo will welcome you in with open arms.
I suggest you get on the next yellow plane to FLL and Uber over to Miramar. Bendo will welcome you in with open arms.
Your argument is intellectually insane. What applies to the first year being one year applies to the second being one year as well. If cr@ping on the first year guys is such a good idea, why not increase the leverage by cr@ping on the second year guys? And the third? Because every year is one year up until 12 and over.
And if it’s been such a damn wonderful form of leverage, WHY HASN’T IT WORKED? Why doesn’t NK have payscales at least equal to those of places that DON’T cr@p on their new hires.
How long must it not work before you’ll give up the arrogance and admit it’s not working?
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