First Week Openers
09-27-2022, 11:00 AM
#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 465
Retro always. With every new contract signed. With every airline.
Period.
And yet when I mention it to CAs and FOs I'm usually met with "What's retro pay mean?"
And if you think we're going to get a contract accomplished in early openers... well... I hope you're right, but I highly doubt it. I expect nothing less than the last contract series of events to play out long term, only to get thrown in the trash once the merger is complete. I hope I'm wrong.
Listen to, or read in your email, the latest Podcast talking about contract 2018. (IDK if you were here or not, but it's the one I was here for.) That's the sugarcoated version. It was way worse. And then read about Contract 9000, which I was not here for, and ask someone who was.
Period.
And yet when I mention it to CAs and FOs I'm usually met with "What's retro pay mean?"
And if you think we're going to get a contract accomplished in early openers... well... I hope you're right, but I highly doubt it. I expect nothing less than the last contract series of events to play out long term, only to get thrown in the trash once the merger is complete. I hope I'm wrong.
Listen to, or read in your email, the latest Podcast talking about contract 2018. (IDK if you were here or not, but it's the one I was here for.) That's the sugarcoated version. It was way worse. And then read about Contract 9000, which I was not here for, and ask someone who was.
Haha, 2017 we had a bad attrition problem. Heck, we couldn’t get guys to show up to class!! I agree with Ed- gonna be 2018 all over again.
Company is playing chess and we’re stuck on Shoots and Ladders!
09-27-2022, 11:20 AM
#153
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
But.. but…, this time is different! We’ve got record attrition and this is the best bargaining environment we’ve ever seen! AC are coming and I’m sure Teddy needs keep the operation afloat! Bendo said we’d get a fast TA!!
Haha, 2017 we had a bad attrition problem. Heck, we couldn’t get guys to show up to class!! I agree with Ed- gonna be 2018 all over again.
Company is playing chess and we’re stuck on Shoots and Ladders!
Haha, 2017 we had a bad attrition problem. Heck, we couldn’t get guys to show up to class!! I agree with Ed- gonna be 2018 all over again.
Company is playing chess and we’re stuck on Shoots and Ladders!
09-27-2022, 11:58 AM
#154
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.
09-27-2022, 05:59 PM
#155
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,788
Why should they be worried? They aren’t losing any great number of senior CAs. The senior FOs they are losing are easily replaced by newbies who will only cost them an Airbus type rating and maybe $50k the first year - H€||, they probably make money on the deal, especially when you consider the non vested DC forfeited by the departing FOs and junior CAs. And every departing CA opens up an upgrade slot to convince another senior FO to stick around for awhile and, being junior to the departed guy, will be doing the same job for less money.
I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.
I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.
09-28-2022, 05:06 AM
#156
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
I'm not commenting on what will happen with your management. Only that those with experience are telling the guy without NK experience that he/she is likely being overly optimistic. And you always seem to need to defend the happy-talk'rs... We have a guy like you, and he was very detrimental during our last negotiations.
09-28-2022, 05:16 PM
#157
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 394
Why should they be worried? They aren’t losing any great number of senior CAs. The senior FOs they are losing are easily replaced by newbies who will only cost them an Airbus type rating and maybe $50k the first year - H€||, they probably make money on the deal, especially when you consider the non vested DC forfeited by the departing FOs and junior CAs. And every departing CA opens up an upgrade slot to convince another senior FO to stick around for awhile and, being junior to the departed guy, will be doing the same job for less money.
I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.
I think screwing the newbies is starting to screw the whole pilot group.
09-28-2022, 06:59 PM
#158
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Flying slightly more than 2019 pre CovID yet we have 30 more airplanes. Assets sitting around or not flying the high utilization rate required for $50 tickets. This model isn’t working.
09-28-2022, 09:20 PM
#159
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
Au contraire. The NK training department was accustomed to a 15% increase in pilots annually. It’s the Big Three, with their early retirements and multi-type fleets that are struggling with training. Otherwise NKs attrition would probably be even worse.
09-29-2022, 02:09 PM
#160
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 120
What's the cliff notes from the ALPA call today?
Unfortunately I wasn't able to tune in. I've been shook up since this morning when I had a virtual accident in my DriveSim driving simulator at home. Was off today so I like to do casual Sunday afternoon drives in the sim to relax. I was driving the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia and had just gone through a 4 way stop when I was T boned from a car running the stop sign. Wasn't in the frame of mind to listen in but I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "good progress was made but we're still far apart on many issues" along with they can't divulge the details of the negotiations due to NDA as well as to keep the upper hand in negotiating position. Similar to the Town Halls I would guess.
Unfortunately I wasn't able to tune in. I've been shook up since this morning when I had a virtual accident in my DriveSim driving simulator at home. Was off today so I like to do casual Sunday afternoon drives in the sim to relax. I was driving the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia and had just gone through a 4 way stop when I was T boned from a car running the stop sign. Wasn't in the frame of mind to listen in but I'm guessing it's something along the lines of "good progress was made but we're still far apart on many issues" along with they can't divulge the details of the negotiations due to NDA as well as to keep the upper hand in negotiating position. Similar to the Town Halls I would guess.
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