I’d like to congratulate some FOs
04-09-2022, 01:45 PM
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The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).
They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.
04-10-2022, 03:38 AM
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Which, God-willing, a JCBA with B6 will take care of.
The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).
They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.
The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).
They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.
04-10-2022, 05:16 AM
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So just to clarify. You think they would spend all this time selling this to investors, shareholders and the federal government, eventually, possibly getting it approved only to not be able to combine for a few years because of a JCBA?
04-10-2022, 05:20 AM
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Yea that makes no sense. If no JCBA is agreed upon in the next two years then the merging airline will be getting a drastically different airline than they anticipated. Once the DOJ approves whichever merger is brought to them a JCBA will need to be accomplished soon afterwards.
04-10-2022, 06:53 AM
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thats not what he wrote. He said we don’t see one for a couple years. He didn’t say “after the transaction is complete”
04-10-2022, 07:24 AM
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Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?
04-10-2022, 08:24 AM
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Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?
04-10-2022, 08:32 AM
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Yes, he said we won’t see one for a couple of years. Which means if the transaction is completed by the end of this year, which is what both airlines have said they are shooting for, then that won’t combine for another year, year and a half because of the JCBA? And then it will take a little after that to actually finish combining. Out of curiosity, and I’ll have to look it up because I don’t know, how long after approval of AS/VA did they have a JCBA?
04-10-2022, 10:13 AM
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The rules have changed. Companies are going to survive or fold on FO retention and overall QOL. Read the AS thread if you think otherwise. They ARE (technically) a legacy and
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).
They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.
a 12 year CA is pulling $266 (+15.5% DC) on a contract already up for renewal. But they are struggling to staff and retain at the FO level with a first year FO pay of only $93 (+15.5%).
They aren’t losing senior CAs (except to retirement), not even the VX guys that are bitter about the JFK closure, but they sure are FOs. Even WN has identified that their FOs aren’t competitive and they’ll need to address that in the next contract.
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