Sprontier, Please!
04-08-2022, 11:46 PM
#61
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Well that’s just not true. Spirit pilots where showing their didn’t want to be dragged down by frontier contract. That is with both pilot groups and companies being pretty similar. You’re now blaming JetBlue pilots that would get shafted with a relative seniority list from being annoyed of losing that seniority? Trust me Jetblue pilots know this isn’t a legacy carrier. We know we aren’t Delta, United, and American. I wouldn’t expect any less from those airline pilots if they were going to lose years of seniority to JetBlue pilots.
This thread is also childish as the company could care less about the opinion of the pilots of who they rather join. I’ve seen some from your group wanting the JetBlue merger more than frontier. I wish you were right though and JetBlue and spirit didn’t mix seems like your hostility and name calling doesn’t help the relationship anymore than a JetBlue pilot defending why he shouldn’t lose years of seniority.
This thread is also childish as the company could care less about the opinion of the pilots of who they rather join. I’ve seen some from your group wanting the JetBlue merger more than frontier. I wish you were right though and JetBlue and spirit didn’t mix seems like your hostility and name calling doesn’t help the relationship anymore than a JetBlue pilot defending why he shouldn’t lose years of seniority.
curious what a jet blue pilot loses in actual terms with a relative seniority integration? Vacation slots? Seat? Schedule?
04-09-2022, 12:25 AM
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04-09-2022, 01:32 AM
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Just be ready. My friend at Alaska got hired in 2001. He is now junior to VA pilots that were hired in 2008, by 100s of numbers. It seems like arbitrators weigh more heavily towards relative seniority than DOH, especially since we all basically have the same career expectations.
04-09-2022, 01:38 AM
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Just be ready. My friend at Alaska got hired in 2001. He is now junior to VA pilots that were hired in 2008, by 100s of numbers. It seems like arbitrators weigh more heavily towards relative seniority than DOH, especially since we all basically have the same career expectations.
04-09-2022, 01:50 AM
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So 2 guys went to JB, and 1 hasn’t left yet, got it.
Based on orders, and investor publications, JB plans to grow 3%/yr for the next 6 years. NK plans 15%, and if half of that happens, it’s still twice what JB is planning. Pay difference is $10/hr. Upgrade a year earlier, and it pays the difference for the next 10 years.
Based on orders, and investor publications, JB plans to grow 3%/yr for the next 6 years. NK plans 15%, and if half of that happens, it’s still twice what JB is planning. Pay difference is $10/hr. Upgrade a year earlier, and it pays the difference for the next 10 years.
04-09-2022, 03:01 AM
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Couldn't agree more!
I expect nothing less than a valiant effort from both sides to get an ISL that favors their own pilot group. But after the list is done, that crap needs to stop.
The lawyers and expert witnesses will present their cases based on numbers and facts, not feelings like APC.
I expect nothing less than a valiant effort from both sides to get an ISL that favors their own pilot group. But after the list is done, that crap needs to stop.
The lawyers and expert witnesses will present their cases based on numbers and facts, not feelings like APC.
04-09-2022, 05:15 AM
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04-09-2022, 05:35 AM
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I don’t think it was emotional it was factual. But yes, nothing gained or lost by either group in that scenario except for “expectations”.
04-09-2022, 06:00 AM
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As the Committee evaluated the old policy, it became clear the factors for seniority list integration (SLI) had
become a source of controversy. The new policy states that the factors that must be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated seniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, now include but are not limited to career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
The new merger policy mandates that merger representatives, mediators, and arbitrators must consider these factors when constructing a seniority list; however, they are also free to consider other factors as they deem appropriate.
become a source of controversy. The new policy states that the factors that must be considered in constructing a fair and equitable integrated seniority list, in no particular order and with no particular weight, now include but are not limited to career expectations, longevity, and status and category.
The new merger policy mandates that merger representatives, mediators, and arbitrators must consider these factors when constructing a seniority list; however, they are also free to consider other factors as they deem appropriate.
04-09-2022, 06:05 AM
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It is an emotional response to a fact. I’m not arguing that a straight relative integration doesn’t place 2011 b6 hires with 2016 nk hires. I’m saying that the perceived harm isn’t as bad as b6 guys seem to try to make it out to be. Our entire careers are based on seniority as percentage in our base/seat/company. Career expectations are an increase in company seniority percentage, relative seniority keeps everyone on that same trajectory. The major adjustment I’ve noticed would involve retirements. B6 has more than NK so the sli needs to account for that. I just don’t want this to end up being toxic and the statement that b6 gets screwed because they are placed next to this guy from NK doesn’t help. How about being placed next to a qualified pilot, everybody gets paid more with better qol, and nobody steps on anyone to better their position.
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