symbian simian

If anything , NK pilots should gain relative seniority, we don't have small narrow bodies, and a much higher order portfolio. The Reason JB pilots are complaining about stagnation, and want more is the reason we should get more.

CincoDeMayo

Yes. Jblu A220 and E190s should be integrated below A320 pilots. This is standard Status Category methodology. This is no different than when you see Legacy mergers where they heavy pilots are integrated above the narrow body or regional mergers where RJs are integrated above props. And no, this doesnt mean a senior 190 pilot would be integrated junior to someone they are senior to, but the slot will be. Seniority list integration methodology has become much more predictable with ALPA carriers since they revamped the merger policy. DOH is a dead integration method, staples are a thing of the past; it will be a stat/cat integration with maybe a slight consideration to DOH if the JBlu merger committee can make the case that the disparity between the DOHs on the list will be too drastic. But then again, this is up to the arbitrator(s)

KNOTAPILOT

LOL you gotta be trolling. There’s a reason so many regional FOs only use spirit as a type ride to get a call from the legacy carrier. Everyone talking about QOL at spirit like there isn’t an attrition problem with pilots leaving to other airlines that don’t have the dropping to zero stuff everyone is raving about. So no a spirit airline pilot should not gain any relative seniority, even keeping it a relative seniority shuffle favors the spirit pilots massively. There should also be a slight factor of what airline is getting purchased added to it. I know so many think the ULCC is a way of life but again Spirit is getting purchased. CASH! Not as high and mighty as you may think.

NKSpilot

Why do you keep saying CASH in every post? JB is having to take out mortgages on their airplanes to make this happen. Maybe you didn't see that.

Sort of like when you get to the end of monopoly if you are losing

KNOTAPILOT

Because it wasn’t the deal with frontier. Because some think that spirit business model is the only way to make money or gain seniority as a pilot. Because some are misinterpreting my point that I’m only defending the idea the integration should be DOH towards the bottom of the list as thinking Jetblue pilots are superior. I won’t speak on others but doubt that’s the case with the majority of JetBlue pilots. So then the spirit pilots are defending theirs talking about a stagnant airline (which isn’t true) and how the ULCC model is superior. I’ll look forward to putting it behind us and trying to bring down competition for our joint sake.

NKSpilot

Couldn't agree more!

I expect nothing less than a valiant effort from both sides to get an ISL that favors their own pilot group. But after the list is done, that crap needs to stop.

The lawyers and expert witnesses will present their cases based on numbers and facts, not feelings like APC.

BeechedJet

I think any reserve pilot that's about to get displaced should be placed at the top of the list and given positive space commuting and home basing and a personal pan pizza from Pizza Hut (1 topping) before every pairing.

KNOTAPILOT

Oh you should see how I’ll get when we are negotiating a JCBA. Lol.

pilotpayne

plus we will need to negotiate a new CBA before it’s all over……hello leverage.

symbian simian

Uhm, no. Nobody is leaving NK for JB (or the other way). NK pilots hired 3 years ago, based on looking at orders were looking at line holders as a captain on a A320 in 5 years, not sitting reserve as an E170 captain. Career expectation is a thing.

ULCC has nothing to do with it, and your pay rates aren't nearly enough to make up for it.