IROP
02-04-2022, 08:54 AM
#62
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2019
Posts: 220
Or enjoy making SIT pay at the airport if they don’t contact you. Once you bail to a hotel, either by you or scheduling, SIT ends. And you are correct, you are to stay at the airport for your duty period, and when they do finally call you, a SIT code needs to be placed at the leg for the entire time until you are released to rest. So your example above having 12 hours duty left, you technically have to stay at the airport up to 12 hours before getting your room unless you’re fatigued, like you said. But you’ll be entitled to 5 hours of extra pay if you do.
With that pay, I might hit the airport hotel and get a room while still “being at the airport” and not on rest yet. And if they never contact me with my hotel, im already at a hotel and will expense that airport hotel.
With that pay, I might hit the airport hotel and get a room while still “being at the airport” and not on rest yet. And if they never contact me with my hotel, im already at a hotel and will expense that airport hotel.
02-04-2022, 09:09 AM
#63
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Once you go to the hotel for rest, your sit does end. Actually it ends once "released into rest". So you might not even be at the hotel yet. Yes, we discussed work arounds like the airport hotel while having scheduling think youre at the concourse food court, waiting for reassignment.
From Scheduling Chairman:" For pay purposes, pilots who experienced long duration waits at the airport without contact from crew scheduling should ensure that their pairings reflect an accurate time for the end of the duty period. These duty periods should only show as completed at the point in time when the pilot entered their rest facility, whether it was provided for as required by the CBA or the pilot was directed or permitted by a chief pilot to purchase a hotel room and expense it back to Spirit. In all cases, rest must not begin until duty was completed, which includes post-flight time spent at the airport waiting for further assignment or instructions."
Rescheduling guide shows this is when the SIT ends
From Scheduling Chairman:" For pay purposes, pilots who experienced long duration waits at the airport without contact from crew scheduling should ensure that their pairings reflect an accurate time for the end of the duty period. These duty periods should only show as completed at the point in time when the pilot entered their rest facility, whether it was provided for as required by the CBA or the pilot was directed or permitted by a chief pilot to purchase a hotel room and expense it back to Spirit. In all cases, rest must not begin until duty was completed, which includes post-flight time spent at the airport waiting for further assignment or instructions."
Rescheduling guide shows this is when the SIT ends
04-02-2022, 07:19 AM
#64
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
🚨🚨🚨🚨We are officially BendoCon 3 IROP
“Currently the phone call queue lines are at 96 minutes for the normal scheduling line, and the longest wait is 14 minutes for the premium, sick and reserve lines. “
What a joke. So X list trips have a 14 minute wait time and a hotel call is 96 minutes. I hope everyone is booking their own hotels or calling a chief vs these hold times.
It’s clear the IROP phone delays are never going to stop and if call wait times are 96 minutes, it means we have people waiting 96 minutes on hold. Why?!
“Currently the phone call queue lines are at 96 minutes for the normal scheduling line, and the longest wait is 14 minutes for the premium, sick and reserve lines. “
What a joke. So X list trips have a 14 minute wait time and a hotel call is 96 minutes. I hope everyone is booking their own hotels or calling a chief vs these hold times.
It’s clear the IROP phone delays are never going to stop and if call wait times are 96 minutes, it means we have people waiting 96 minutes on hold. Why?!
04-02-2022, 07:36 AM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 465
🚨🚨🚨🚨We are officially BendoCon 3 IROP
“Currently the phone call queue lines are at 96 minutes for the normal scheduling line, and the longest wait is 14 minutes for the premium, sick and reserve lines. “
What a joke. So X list trips have a 14 minute wait time and a hotel call is 96 minutes. I hope everyone is booking their own hotels or calling a chief vs these hold times.
It’s clear the IROP phone delays are never going to stop and if call wait times are 96 minutes, it means we have people waiting 96 minutes on hold. Why?!
“Currently the phone call queue lines are at 96 minutes for the normal scheduling line, and the longest wait is 14 minutes for the premium, sick and reserve lines. “
What a joke. So X list trips have a 14 minute wait time and a hotel call is 96 minutes. I hope everyone is booking their own hotels or calling a chief vs these hold times.
It’s clear the IROP phone delays are never going to stop and if call wait times are 96 minutes, it means we have people waiting 96 minutes on hold. Why?!
04-02-2022, 08:06 AM
#66
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 84
Once again Spirit has lost operational control - the FAA needs to step oin… only way this gets fixed. If it wasn’t so pathetic I’d be laughing. Can’t wait to see how many people leave in near future as I’m sure tons have apps out now.
04-02-2022, 08:10 AM
#67
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?
04-02-2022, 08:20 AM
#68
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,796
Well this isn’t losing operational control. It’s laughable and ridiculous but it isn’t losing operational control. Most of us have been here the few times they have lost operational control and the FAA was close to stepping in, this isn’t it. This is another example of ULCC manning at all levels.
Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?
Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?
04-02-2022, 08:32 AM
#69
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2017
Posts: 84
Well this isn’t losing operational control. It’s laughable and ridiculous but it isn’t losing operational control. Most of us have been here the few times they have lost operational control and the FAA was close to stepping in, this isn’t it. This is another example of ULCC manning at all levels.
Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?
Didn’t you bust out of training here and headed back to Fractional?
04-02-2022, 08:33 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 657
Yep. I’m so glad they tried to sell us on moving more pilots and beefing up bases in FL and ATL as “better for operational control.” I was thinking we’d have to wait for a hurricane to come and shut down a few airports in FL too see what happens, turns out we just needed a few storms to bring the whole thing to a halt. This will be even better come June when everyone is based down there.
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