dualinput

If you are on day 2 and the flight to the overnight cancels and you have 5hrs of duty what would be your course of action? Not being critical, asking.

flyjbh

That’s different … you get a sit code and start making money ….. that usually gets the ball rolling .


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flyjbh

The official guidance is in your contract- Crew Scheduling shall notify pilots of changes to their trips or time available status as soon as they are known. A Pilot assigned to a trip must be rescheduled in accordance with the limitations of Sections 25 and 12.


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symbian simian

​​​​​​After 1 hour at most, I would give my CC to the FO and tell him to call the short layover hotel to get us a room, while I am on hold with CS. If he gets done before they pick up, I hang up and go to the hotel. Even if they refuse to refund me, I will be a much happier person in the hotel $150 down for both of us.

GrumpyCaptain

Why not the long hotel?

symbian simian

because I will cancel the DH, and hurry home, so no need to get too far away from the airport

dualinput

I think SPA ALPA’s position is you have to stay at the airport until you time out or make contact with crew scheduling, and if you go to a hotel a fatigue report is due.

So begs the question: let’s say you fly one short leg from say ORD to MCI and discover your next leg from MCI to LAX is cancelled but no change to your schedule and no way to contact scheduling and get VM with the CPO. You’ve only been on duty 2 hours and let’s say you are good for 12 more and are well rested from the night prior. At what point do you decide you aren’t going to wait on hold any longer and then what point do you decide to get your own hotel? Remember you have no changes on your schedule and haven’t been able to reach scheduling for a change or even a SIT code. You also have 12 more hours of usable duty.

Now if I’m at the scheduled layover and there is no hotel yes I’m just going to handle it myself. Also if I’m there in MCI and my schedule is blank after that I’m probably going to a hotel after a “reasonable” amount of time. I probably won’t wait on hold, I’ll probably wait for them to call me.

CincoDeMayo

Or enjoy making SIT pay at the airport if they don’t contact you. Once you bail to a hotel, either by you or scheduling, SIT ends. And you are correct, you are to stay at the airport for your duty period, and when they do finally call you, a SIT code needs to be placed at the leg for the entire time until you are released to rest. So your example above having 12 hours duty left, you technically have to stay at the airport up to 12 hours before getting your room unless you’re fatigued, like you said. But you’ll be entitled to 5 hours of extra pay if you do.

With that pay, I might hit the airport hotel and get a room while still “being at the airport” and not on rest yet. And if they never contact me with my hotel, im already at a hotel and will expense that airport hotel.

symbian simian

that is what I meant. Pretty sure I can get back to the hotel fast enough if they still need me

CincoDeMayo

No doubt. There are tons of holes in the policy anyways. Because exactly, you could be anywhere at the airport. Also, we are not required to be directly contactable while on duty anyways. So when we step off the plane, and they call, its up to us if we want to answer, return the call, etc. We dont need to have a cell phone like a corporate pilot. Tons of holes, company just assumes and hopes we answer our cell phone when/if they decide to call.