The Spirit of Freedom
10-12-2021, 11:11 AM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 117
Until/unless OSHA gets off their fat @$$€$ and actually mandates this, it’s all smoke. I personally believe everybody over age 30 OUGHT to be vaccinated but no one ought to be MANDATED to get vaccinated. But if there is going to be a mandate, it ought to be LEGALLY MANDATED, not just a press release that those opposed to it can’t challenge in court because there is nothing in writing to BE challenged.
10-12-2021, 12:56 PM
#12
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
The osha issue is for companies greater than 100 and allows a testing option. The Biden EO for contractors is insane overreach. Those powers are to the states or to the people. The fed does not have this authority. And really, these companies should be standing up to it. My personal opinion is there is no reason for anyone under the age of 65 to get vaccinated unless at high risk. Which is what should have happened.
a. From a lab in Wuhan China
b. From a bat in Laos that flew to Wuhan China (distance 1700 miles) in one night
(take your pick)
and unless you are thirty or younger you probably don’t want your first exposure to COVID antigens to be the live virus itself because first exposures to NOVEL viruses tend to not go well.
But having said that since you are an adult, I’d no more force you to take an immunization than I’d force a Jehovah’s Witness to take a blood transfusion. And since your kids are at negligible risk, no problem there either.
10-12-2021, 02:27 PM
#13
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 40,282
The osha issue is for companies greater than 100 and allows a testing option. The Biden EO for contractors is insane overreach. Those powers are to the states or to the people. The fed does not have this authority. And really, these companies should be standing up to it.
For all we know the airlines *asked* the WH to do this... that's how we got the old age 60 limit.
I think most people should have a choice, but there are plenty of dead people under the age of 65 who probably wished they had taken the shot before it was over.
10-12-2021, 02:59 PM
#14
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 7
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?
10-12-2021, 03:39 PM
#15
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Position: Barbie Jet Radio Operator
Posts: 155
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?
10-12-2021, 05:23 PM
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?
I’d assume you’d just apply for long term disability/loss of medical insurance, just like everyone else that gets sick and can’t work anymore.
10-12-2021, 05:50 PM
#18
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 7
while that thought was in my head as a possible outcome I would hope that would be until retirement date with my retirement contribution added to those benefits. As previously stated, the possibility of this happening is slim but it probably should be something we need to be prepared for. Just some guidance or a plan or an answer on responsibility would be nice.
10-12-2021, 05:55 PM
#19
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 12,203
All I’d like to know is the what if I have, albeit rare, an adverse reaction and cannot obtain a medical or something is responsible for me losing my medical. Who is responsible and what in the hell do I do now since it wasn’t a choice anymore? Any speculation from anyone?
The courts will be sorting out that question - and many others - three years from now. Same for the ‘no foreclosures’ and ‘no evictions’ mandates.
Sort of like that the Danish Minister that ordered the killing of ten million mink when there was nothing in law giving him or anyone else that authority. Somebody will have to pay - probably the Danish government.
Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen has appointed a new agriculture minister after Mogens Jensen resigned for illegally ordering the culling of all minks in Denmark.
Development Cooperation Minister Rasmus Prehn has been selected to take over from Jensen.
The mass cull was ordered after a mutated form of coronavirus was found in the mink population.
Development Cooperation Minister Rasmus Prehn has been selected to take over from Jensen.
The mass cull was ordered after a mutated form of coronavirus was found in the mink population.
Dead mink are rising from their graves in Denmark after a rushed cull over fears of a coronavirus mutation led to thousands being slaughtered and buried in shallow pits – from which some are now emerging.
“As the bodies decay, gases can be formed,” Thomas Kristensen, a national police spokesman, told the state broadcaster DR. “This causes the whole thing to expand a little. In this way, in the worst cases, the mink get pushed out of the ground.”
Police in West Jutland, where several thousand mink were buried in a mass grave on a military training field, have tried to counter the macabre phenomenon by shovelling extra soil on top of the corpses, which are in a 1 metre-deep trench.
“This is a natural process,” Kristensen said. “Unfortunately, one metre of soil is not just one metre of soil –it depends on what type of soil it is. The problem is that the sandy soil in West Jutland is too light. So we have had to lay more soil on top.”
Adding to the popular concern, local media reported that the animals may also have been buried too close to lakes and underground water reserves, prompting fears of possible contamination of ground and drinking water supplies.
Photos and videos of the emerging bodies have set social media buzzing in Denmark, with one Twitter user calling 2020 “the year of the zombie mutant killer mink” and another calling on the population to “run … The mink are coming for you.”
“As the bodies decay, gases can be formed,” Thomas Kristensen, a national police spokesman, told the state broadcaster DR. “This causes the whole thing to expand a little. In this way, in the worst cases, the mink get pushed out of the ground.”
Police in West Jutland, where several thousand mink were buried in a mass grave on a military training field, have tried to counter the macabre phenomenon by shovelling extra soil on top of the corpses, which are in a 1 metre-deep trench.
“This is a natural process,” Kristensen said. “Unfortunately, one metre of soil is not just one metre of soil –it depends on what type of soil it is. The problem is that the sandy soil in West Jutland is too light. So we have had to lay more soil on top.”
Adding to the popular concern, local media reported that the animals may also have been buried too close to lakes and underground water reserves, prompting fears of possible contamination of ground and drinking water supplies.
Photos and videos of the emerging bodies have set social media buzzing in Denmark, with one Twitter user calling 2020 “the year of the zombie mutant killer mink” and another calling on the population to “run … The mink are coming for you.”
10-12-2021, 05:59 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
while that thought was in my head as a possible outcome I would hope that would be until retirement date with my retirement contribution added to those benefits. As previously stated, the possibility of this happening is slim but it probably should be something we need to be prepared for. Just some guidance or a plan or an answer on responsibility would be nice.
What happens if you lose your medical due to unforeseen Covid complications or some random illness that you get?
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