TrojanCMH

Here are numbers you can’t refute. +90% of people in hospitals are unvaccinated. So basically it boils down to whether you’d rather take your chances with covid or the possible long term effects of a vaccine.

TrojanCMH

Also it’s not like it’s just the US Heath departments and universities trying to peddle this narrative. It’s the whole world, that’s a hell of a conspiracy the democrats got going when basically everyone researching this says the vaccine is safe and the way to go.

TrojanCMH

But I’m 100% against a vaccine mandate. It should be a personal choice.

Also not sure what spirit’s end game is with this vaccination survey. If enough people have taken the jab will they not mandate it? Possibly just have the unvaccinated pilots and fas banned from flying to certain places that require it? Similar to the South American qualification. I figure if the percent of unvaxxed is too high they will make everyone get it as they can’t have half the pilot and fa group unable to fly to certain places and still function as an airline. Also would
make reserve assignments difficult.

CincoDeMayo

I agree with what you’re saying

I think many private companies have been waiting for the government mandate, to shield themselves from lawsuits. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know Spirit has been hinting towards a vaccine mandate for a while.

When they say things like “we are constantly evaluating the science and making decisions based on that,” it’s code for “as soon as we can without being held personally responsible, we will.” Never did they come out with “we will never force employees to get a vaccine”.

The surveys are what a bunch of companies are doing currently, gathering info so they can track who has and who needs once the government mandate goes into effect.

But I don’t think there is any doubt, we will have a government imposed, company instructed to follow, vaccine mandate. The MEC is doing what they should do now, supporting the entire pilot group by requiring a process take place and not a Spirit “shoot from the hip” approach like they normally do.

Skycap876

If it's a burden be it operational or financial to the employer, the burden will be passed on to the employee. This holds true at least for most employers.

rickair7777

HIPAA prevents healthcare providers from disclosing your medical data to third parties... without your permission. That's it.

Yup. If they ask, you can voluntarily provide proof of vaccination. HIPAA does not prevent you from disclosing your own info. If you decline, they can fire you (unless perhaps your CBA specifically disallows the company from requiring vaccinations?).

If they think it's a fake, they can ask you to sign a HIPAA waiver so they can verify the data with the healthcare provider directly. If you decline, see above.

FNGFO

Are they?

Are they unvaccinated or unvaccinated Covid recovered? And once you realize you can’t answer what should be a very obvious and instructive question ask yourself why?

Then ask why breakthrough instances weren’t being documented.

I know. Throwing the “conspiracy theorist” tag is he easy way out of having to discuss the hard questions. Once upon a time most of the world would tell you the sun revolves around the earth. Was it a conspiracy? Or were they just wrong?

Those in charge don’t take this seriously. They exempted themselves from the mandate. Throw large parties together and ditch their masks as soon as the camera is off. And are letting 100’s if thousands cross our border without even bothering to check their Covid status.

The hospitals are fudging their numbers. I’m married to a medical professional. It’s absolutely happening. Conspiracy or money grab. Probably the latter.

The FDA is deeply in bed with big pharma. Until Covid everyone was in agreement with how corrupt they are. Suddenly they’re altruistic saviors of mankind.

It doesn't have to be a conspiracy for the self serving agendas of many entities to align. And they’re all too far down the rabbit hole to pull back now.

This thing is the new flu. In fact, my wife is convinced it will eventually be called Flu C. And it killed a lot of people because it was novel. It’s looking more and more like that’s the fault of the lab in Chiinuh courtesy of funding from those same people you’re trusting to have your best interests at heart btw. It’ll be endemic soon. And then, much like the flu it’ll be treated with a yearly shot guessing at the predominant strain. I’m Covid recovered and see no need for an experimental vaccine. I’m not in one of the high risk age brackets, am in good shape and have none of the leading co morbidities. No thanks. Don’t need it. And I’ll skip that BS when people treat it like the flu in the future.

I think you should absolutely get one of the vaccines if you are in one of those at risk age brackets and or are obese, have diabetes, breathing issues etc. There’s real value there. Or if you’re one of the ever shrinking group of unvaccinated and have never contracted.

Hopefully the reported instances of heart issues, blood clots etc remain low and there will be no long term consequences with any of the vaccines. Do you think this union has the wherewithal to ask the company to accept full liability for any possible side effects? Yeah. Me neither. They will go along to get along because normalcy is more convenient than liberty.

bcsolom

1/3 of America uses TheConservativeTreehouse.com? I might have to reach out to them and put some ads on their site!

TrojanCMH

Union or company won’t be able to do anything if the government mandates it. That’s all this “census” is, the company figuring out who still needs to get the jab once the govt. makes it a requirement. Whether you like it or not that’s reality.

SSlow

You're not wrong but that number lacks context. When looking specifically at the number of infections in the unvaccinated, what percentage are ending up hospitalized because of severe infection?

50%?
10%?
3%?

Also why should a person like myself, with documented infection and subsequent recovery, who required absolutely zero medical intervention of any kind be required to take this?


This has to be the least deadly virus a vaccine has ever been mandated over.