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Old 09-18-2021, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
I'd suggest doing your own research instead of posting links to obviously biased fake news sources. Either way, I don't believe the federal government should be mandating that businesses force people to get vaccinated. That's where I draw the line.

If a business wants to make that decision on their own, fine. When the government steps in, that's where I have an issue.

Yup, Lawsuits are already beginning... this should be an open and closed case. Based on recent Federal court rulings that sided with private companies over the CDC overstepping their boundaries, i give it a few months before we see rulings that block this government mandate.
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Old 09-18-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
I'd suggest doing your own research instead of posting links to obviously biased fake news sources. Either way, I don't believe the federal government should be mandating that businesses force people to get vaccinated. That's where I draw the line.

If a business wants to make that decision on their own, fine. When the government steps in, that's where I have an issue.
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion all the links I posted were "obviously biased fake news sources" That's an easy dismissal of a lot of factual information. Within many of the articles are links to the source data that you can verify yourself.

Although I am glad you are on the side of not mandating forced vaccines.

Here's what may be coming next. And if you click on the link it is Fauci himself on video saying what is being considered.
https://www.independentsentinel.com/...-true-tyranny/
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:23 AM
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That's the nature of "at will employment", a company can terminate you for any reason at any time unless the reason is proven to be that it was for your race, age, gender, or sexual orientation.

Union contracts complicate that a little, but most likely anyone who refuses to get vaccinated or exercises their right to not disclose their status will be placed on unpaid medical leave. This is what United is already doing, and I can't imagine they'd be doing it if their army of lawyers weren't sure it was legal.
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by otter1
. Or the UK. Over 80% vaxxed, yet their cases are exploding
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I don't understand this fixation on cases that everyone has. UK is a great example of the vaccines stopping people from dying.

Then again, what would I know? I'm just a pilot.
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by otter1
Forcing someone to take a shot for a virus with a 99%+ survival rate, at the risk of your job, is unethical.

The final medical decision for any injection should be up to the individual, without coercion.

These shots are clearly not working, yet the Biden administration is trying to double down on failure. Look at Israel. Or the UK. Over 80% vaxxed, yet their cases are exploding:
https://www.newstarget.com/2021-08-2...ed-people.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr...s-are-failing/
https://noqreport.com/2021/09/02/no-...-covid-spikes/

There are so many with adverse reactions:

https://noqreport.com/2021/09/17/har...r-vaccination/
https://noqreport.com/2021/09/15/in-...n-by-covid-19/

The shot doesn't prevent infection, or transmission. The data for the US is hard to come by since the CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...booster-shots/

Treatments are available that work:
https://noqreport.com/2021/09/17/abs...er-propaganda/

Lastly, why doesn't anyone talk about natural immunity?
https://saraacarter.com/covid-19-nat...arch-suggests/
It concerns me how most of your links are from conservative sources.. can you find any of this info on reliable, mainstream outlets?
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Old 09-18-2021, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bcsolom
It concerns me how most of your links are from conservative sources.. can you find any of this info on reliable, mainstream outlets?
Depends on what you call "mainstream". Please don't come back with CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc. because those sources has swung far more to the left the Fox News ever did to the right. I mean they took what Fox News did and went full reta@#. All because the Orange man called them a bad name. boohoo. However I think we can all agree that no matter how crass Donald was, Biden's presidency so far has been an unmitigated disaster and makes Trump look like Abraham Lincoln. The "anybody but Trump" strategy has backfired into America's face.
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Old 09-18-2021, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by greatmovieistar
Depends on what you call "mainstream". Please don't come back with CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, etc. because those sources has swung far more to the left the Fox News ever did to the right. I mean they took what Fox News did and went full reta@#. All because the Orange man called them a bad name. boohoo. However I think we can all agree that no matter how crass Donald was, Biden's presidency so far has been an unmitigated disaster and makes Trump look like Abraham Lincoln. The "anybody but Trump" strategy has backfired into America's face.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe

I’d trust university publications over an opinion based news source with an obvious agenda.
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Old 09-18-2021, 08:37 AM
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Could be worse, the company could know your SS, or your address history for the last 10 years. Oh wait.


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We were all having a chat about the company leaking data for others to see, not whether or not they have access to it.
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Old 09-18-2021, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...9-vaccine-safe

I’d trust university publications over an opinion based news source with an obvious agenda.
Ah yes, those universities. Bastions of unbiased, agendaless thought and research.

And I laugh at anyone calling a conservative source not mainstream. If somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country seek a source for information it is absolutely mainstream.

Its down to this. Both sides staring at the other and yelling I don’t trust your numbers.

Here are the numbers you cant refute. There is absolutely no information about possible side effects for these vaccines past about a year. Not a single living soul has any idea what they will be 5 years down the road. Or 10.

The union will bend over and take it on this. There are already reps publicly salivating over he possible payout. The company already knows what it wants to do and the union already know how it will respond. This survey is nothing more than a trial balloon and means to start floating the idea.
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Old 09-18-2021, 09:35 AM
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Ah yes, those universities. Bastions of unbiased, agendaless thought and research.

And I laugh at anyone calling a conservative source not mainstream. If somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the country seek a source for information it is absolutely mainstream.

Its down to this. Both sides staring at the other and yelling I don’t trust your numbers.

Here are the numbers you cant refute. There is absolutely no information about possible side effects for these vaccines past about a year. Not a single living soul has any idea what they will be 5 years down the road. Or 10.

The union will bend over and take it on this. There are already reps publicly salivating over he possible payout. The company already knows what it wants to do and the union already know how it will respond. This survey is nothing more than a trial balloon and means to start floating the idea.
Would love to get a payout for a vaccine I willingly took!
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