GrumpyCaptain

Nobody will change their mind from an internet post. However this is the best vaccine comment I’ve ever read. Thank you!

Meep

Great post, but unfortunately this whole thing has become way too political and partisan. Everyone has already made up their mind and it’s way too easy to find articles on the internet that prove a point (whichever side that is).

squawkoff

This from the VAERS /CDC website today. 43,044 serious event reported in 2020/21.

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symbian simian

And from the home page of that website:
VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

to see people, especially in this pilot group, spreading misinformation that can lead to loss of life, makes me sick


Yup

MainlineorSuici

Cool. How many have died of covid again?

oh yeah. About 4.5 million, out of about 300M infections. About a 1.5% chance of DEATH. Not even counting those that spent weeks in bed suffering severe illness, or those that spent months in the hospital before recovering.

But yeah. 43,000 ‘serious cases’ (mostly easily treatable allergic reactions) out of 2,000,000,000 vaccinations worldwide and 387,000,000 shots in the USA must be a great reason to not get a shot 0.002% chance of spending an afternoon in a local urgent care.

I know pilots aren’t great at math but most 10 year olds could figure these things out. Stop making this about politics, it’s simple statistics. I wouldn’t let a doctor tell me how to fly a plane so why would I assume I know more than modern medicine?

squawkoff

If we can’t rely on VAERS where can any of us get accurate information about COVID or the vaccine? Where do you get the numbers you quoted?

FNGFO

Go fill out a VAERS report in your free time. Keep in mind there a pretty stiff federal fine attached for falsifying the info, but you’re not worried about that.

Tell me how long it takes you. Then tell me how many people you think are going through that process just got giggles. I’m sure there’s people putting in bogus stuff. I’m just as sure that numbers are being fudged at hospitals.

CincoDeMayo

Tons

Just like people claiming the vaccine made them magnetic.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article251955083.html

I have stopped giving the benefit of the doubt to the anti vaccine crowd months ago, so no, they don’t get the benefit of the doubt about filling out a useless claim.

And how many of the 43,000 are related to the reaction after the second shot most of us got, what we expected, to feel like crap for a day as our immune system goes to work.

Or was that because I was becoming magnetic?

FNGFO

That’s complete and utter BS with regard to the vaccine. You should maybe look a little harder.

You also present a binary choice with regard to Covid. Either you’re vaccinated or you’re going to die an incredibly slow and painful death in a hospital. Also utterly false.

The chances of being hospitalized with Covid are surprisingly low. They increase with age, but it’s far lower than you would be led to believe by the nightly propaganda. In fact, a recent survey made well known by liberal ultra douche Bill Maher showed just how inflated most people’s opinion are with regard to actual versus perceived chances of hospitalization. It’s eye opening, and directly driven by the panic porn of the day.

I believe you should get the vaccine if you are in one of the at risk groups. One of those would be the unicorns who have somehow not contracted Covid AND haven’t received both of their vaccinations.

Let me ask you this, and dinner is on me if you can actually find any meaningful data on the subject. What is the survival rate of anyone who is under the age of 65 having none of the leading co morbidities? And for those in that group who are Covid recovered? Not the entire population range averaged together. Not just plain vaccinated versus unvaccinated. What’s that number? Seems like it would be incredibly instructive with regard to treatment, and convincing one way or the other. Probably should be readily available.

Let me know now if you find it. And when you likely don’t ask yourself why such an obvious question isn’t being pursued.

Btw, every death is a tragedy. A brutal blow for someone somewhere and they’re loved ones. Hundred of pilots losing their medicals due to an encounter with a novel virus is more fear porn. Assuming that number is accurate ask yourself how many professional pilots are there versus the number who’ve lost that medical. And then ask yourself about the breakdown with age, co morbidities, multiple infections and so forth.

Hundreds of lost medicals would be an unsettling number within the spirit pilot group regardless of the important minutia. When spread across the entire industry and appropriately dissected for the important questions above it’s considerably less scary.

FNGFO

I didn’t miss your question btw. I was exuding aviation excellence through circadian low operations and didn’t have time for a proper answer. I’ve asked her for her reply so that I don’t fumble her answer.

For clarity, she’s a doctor of pharmacy with nearly 20 years working in a hospital. For further clarity, she doesn’t sit in a dungeon removed from hospital operations as one might understandably suppose. Her system has the pharms on the floors, in the ER etc. for a multitude of very good reasons. She makes rounds with the docs on her assigned floors and responds to codes when it’s in her area of responsibility. All that to say, she’s not figuring it out third person.

Anecdotally, you’ll find many doctors and nurses who think you should get the shot. You’ll also find that many health systems have had to back of mandatory vaccination, my wife’s included, because the administrators have been told point blank that anywhere from 30-70% of their staffs depending on the hospital will walk off the job of a mandate is forced on them.
My wife is required to wear an N95 mask when she does work a shift in the actual pharmacy portion of her hospital except that no one there does. Not even the die hard believers.

Further anecdote. I recently had my annual non aviation physical and my doctor was encouraging me to get vaccinated as well. She know I’m Covid recovered. I asked her if I had natural immunity. She said yes. Then she suggested that we don’t know how long that might last. I asked her how long the various vaccines were good for and what their efficacy was. She didn’t have a good answer for that. End of conversation. And to be clear, I know this woman. Our families know each other. We don’t avoid difficult conversations.