Commuting at Spirit
03-20-2022, 06:50 AM
#11
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I’ll let y’all come to your own conclusions on what may be a better option than using the commuter clause if you can’t make it in.
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03-20-2022, 07:43 AM
#12
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Fought it initially with the CP and union, then through the NCC process. Received a call from the grievance chair that it was unfortunately how they have been interpreting the contract now. If you look in the commuter policy section now, it’s buried in there. I’d never had it used on me though.
I’ll let y’all come to your own conclusions on what may be a better option than using the commuter clause if you can’t make it in.
I’ll let y’all come to your own conclusions on what may be a better option than using the commuter clause if you can’t make it in.
03-20-2022, 09:57 AM
#13
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Fought it initially with the CP and union, then through the NCC process. Received a call from the grievance chair that it was unfortunately how they have been interpreting the contract now. If you look in the commuter policy section now, it’s buried in there. I’d never had it used on me though.
I’ll let y’all come to your own conclusions on what may be a better option than using the commuter clause if you can’t make it in.
I’ll let y’all come to your own conclusions on what may be a better option than using the commuter clause if you can’t make it in.
03-20-2022, 10:10 AM
#14
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What does this buried language say? Quoted would be good. We had a similar issue at f9 but it’s to long of a discussion to get into and there’s now an loa. They can’t add flying and I’m fairly sure rdp but you have to finish above 60/70 if you forgo the pay. There’s no contractual mechanism to add flying outside reassignment. Reassignment is separated out language for a reason but I don’t know what this buried language in your contract says?
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03-20-2022, 10:21 AM
#15
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What does this buried language say? Quoted would be good. We had a similar issue at f9 but it’s to long of a discussion to get into and there’s now an loa. They can’t add flying and I’m fairly sure rdp but you have to finish above 60/70 if you forgo the pay. There’s no contractual mechanism to add flying outside reassignment.
same number of calendar days of his original missed trip
pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing
of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than
three calendar reserve duty days)."
Nothing hidden, but does not specifically forbid the adding of days outside the original trip foot print.
03-20-2022, 10:27 AM
#16
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"b. Assign the pilot to reserve duty for no more than the
same number of calendar days of his original missed trip
pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing
of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than
three calendar reserve duty days)."
Nothing hidden, but does not specifically forbid the adding of days outside the original trip foot print.
same number of calendar days of his original missed trip
pairing (e.g., a pilot who misses a scheduled trip pairing
of three calendar days may be assigned to no more than
three calendar reserve duty days)."
Nothing hidden, but does not specifically forbid the adding of days outside the original trip foot print.
That sounds like intent is a lineholder can be assigned res. How do you miss a scheduled trip as a res? An argument could be made it doesn’t apply to res. Past practice/disputes would help with that argument but it might not be winnable in arbitration. Hard to say.
03-20-2022, 10:36 AM
#17
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I was on reserve when it happened to me. Self notify for the trip the night before and youre not on reserve anymore. Tried to commute out the next day and no luck.
03-20-2022, 10:37 AM
#18
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However, the point we were talking about was if the reserve days had to be within the original trip foot print, and apparently they don't. I do not like that at all.
03-20-2022, 10:42 AM
#19
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Yes, a line holder can be placed on reserve due to missing a trip commuting (don't necessarily have an issue with that, because at least you get pay). A long call reserve assigned a trip could use the same clause, and get reassigned to short call too (probably). As a short call you really can't use the commute policy.
However, the point we were talking about was if the reserve days had to be within the original trip foot print, and apparently they don't. I do not like that at all.
However, the point we were talking about was if the reserve days had to be within the original trip foot print, and apparently they don't. I do not like that at all.
03-20-2022, 10:45 AM
#20
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Absolutely. Waiting for a response from the union right now.
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