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12-18-2021, 02:38 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
Last email we lost 90 year to date. Some of those are actual retirements, some were medical, and yes, most were going on to other airlines. In fact a sizable number came here after being put into a pool by Delta.
Still 90/2800 is a little over 3% which is not bad at all for turnover at a large company. We are still growing, and still adding pilots to the total, while they announced slowed upgrade number, there are still upgrades and new hire classes full for months.
We start getting over 10% turnover and cancelled new hire classes because no one showed up, then call me and I’ll run around with you talking about the sky falling.
12-18-2021, 02:46 PM
#62
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,279
uhhhh. I have been on reserve for over a year lol. I could hold a line in DTW or FLL but not anywhere else.
12-18-2021, 02:50 PM
#63
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,954
Easy there chicken little, the numbers aren’t so big yet.
Last email we lost 90 year to date. Some of those are actual retirements, some were medical, and yes, most were going on to other airlines. In fact a sizable number came here after being put into a pool by Delta.
Still 90/2800 is a little over 3% which is not bad at all for turnover at a large company. We are still growing, and still adding pilots to the total, while they announced slowed upgrade number, there are still upgrades and new hire classes full for months.
We start getting over 10% turnover and cancelled new hire classes because no one showed up, then call me and I’ll run around with you talking about the sky falling.
Last email we lost 90 year to date. Some of those are actual retirements, some were medical, and yes, most were going on to other airlines. In fact a sizable number came here after being put into a pool by Delta.
Still 90/2800 is a little over 3% which is not bad at all for turnover at a large company. We are still growing, and still adding pilots to the total, while they announced slowed upgrade number, there are still upgrades and new hire classes full for months.
We start getting over 10% turnover and cancelled new hire classes because no one showed up, then call me and I’ll run around with you talking about the sky falling.
90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.
So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.
So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.
12-18-2021, 05:27 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 551
Come on. Have you heard of the phrase “trend”. You can look at 90 in a vacuum and apply the numbers.
90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.
So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.
So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.
90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.
So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.
So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.
And we would need that November trend to continue every single month over next year to even get close to 10% turnover… and we would still have net larger pilot group 12 months from today.
More demographics would be helpful, but I would wager 4 out of 5 who left have been on property less than 24 months.
I’m not saying it can’t or won’t get bad, but we are nowhere close to those “big numbers” yet.
12-18-2021, 06:57 PM
#66
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 439
Come on. Have you heard of the phrase “trend”. You can look at 90 in a vacuum and apply the numbers.
90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.
So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.
So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.
90 to date. Check the amount in the last month, last two months.
So it’s 90 YTD thru November.
16 of which is previous month
24 of which is current November.
So we averaged 5.5 January-September
Then 16 for October
And 24 for partial November.
12-18-2021, 08:40 PM
#67
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 46
Whats worse is that they think hiring 1500 cfi students will solve the problem, yet United, Delta and I am sure AA will all have full cadet programs in place, which at least in United/AA's case will help find funding for the flight training. In addition, I can only imagine the big dumping even more money into these cadet programs as the pinch worsens, making it even harder for Spirit to compete.
I mean I am sure we will get some of these types, but how many will be the question. Even if we get these types of pilots, how many will actually stay as career pilots and not bail out once they get some time, type etc. Obviously a better contract, with better pay and more qol changes will help all of this.
Lastly, lets hope our MEC is working hard on reserve improvements since it looks like a good many of us and future pilots will be on it for a considerable amount of time.
I mean I am sure we will get some of these types, but how many will be the question. Even if we get these types of pilots, how many will actually stay as career pilots and not bail out once they get some time, type etc. Obviously a better contract, with better pay and more qol changes will help all of this.
Lastly, lets hope our MEC is working hard on reserve improvements since it looks like a good many of us and future pilots will be on it for a considerable amount of time.
12-18-2021, 08:52 PM
#68
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Joined APC: Feb 2018
Posts: 115
Currently they are far away from that - 2500-3000 with 121 time being competitive.
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