Attrition
02-23-2022, 11:36 AM
#922
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02-23-2022, 12:08 PM
#926
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Maybe in Orlando, but living in South Florida on first year pay is practically impossible at this point. Heck even second year FO pay is barely enough to get by here unless you own real estate that you purchased many moons ago.
02-23-2022, 01:47 PM
#927
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Encouraging DFW folks to leave so you gain seniority quicker. I like it.
02-23-2022, 05:06 PM
#928
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Get out of here with this junk. This is the unions fault? Serious?! This is why it’s up to the company to fix their attrition problem, not the unions. You’re spewing nonsense that 2 people on here like to spew. What should the union do? Go to the company and offer up 4 days off for higher rates before Section 6, of course not.
This IS the company’s problem to fix, not the pilots or the union that represents the pilots with pilot representatives.
This IS the company’s problem to fix, not the pilots or the union that represents the pilots with pilot representatives.
Last I checked it is our union that goes to the negotiating table correct? I don’t give a flying **** if it’s the companies problem or not, it will still need to be negotiated and the Union will be involved in that.
stop jumping down peoples throats.
02-23-2022, 05:31 PM
#929
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Easy there buddy, easy. What nonsense have i spewed? All I am saying is that the contract caps FO rates fairly quickly and that it made sense when it was signed. It no longer makes sense and we need to get better pay rates since FO’s will be FO’s longer.
Last I checked it is our union that goes to the negotiating table correct? I don’t give a flying **** if it’s the companies problem or not, it will still need to be negotiated and the Union will be involved in that.
stop jumping down peoples throats.
Last I checked it is our union that goes to the negotiating table correct? I don’t give a flying **** if it’s the companies problem or not, it will still need to be negotiated and the Union will be involved in that.
stop jumping down peoples throats.
Do we need better pay rates across the board, yes
Did the union cause FOs to leave because of the pay rates, no.
75% aprox of the pilot group voted for that
Want better pay rates? Do does 3000 Spirit pilots and 1800 Frontier pilots. There is a process. If the company wants to pay more in the meantime, there is a process. The Union didn’t paint anyone into a corner, 75% of pilots said “yup, good to me.”
You have been here a minute and that same Union is the same one that passed the LOA that allowed you to stay on property instead of collecting an unemployment check.
So if you don’t like my response, so be it. I’ll see you at the picketing events.
02-23-2022, 08:39 PM
#930
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I think now that attrition is impacting the whole pilot group it is a little disingenuous to say that new hire and FO rates are only the company's problem. People's upgrade times and the company's expansion plans are now directly negatively impacted by this. The whole pilot group is suffering right now as there is no incentive for a first year FO to stay when a Legacy comes knocking on the door.
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