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Old 02-13-2022, 08:45 PM
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm >8 years in, purchased my Forever Home a little over 2 hr drive from domicile, and have no desire to commute. There's one other legacy with a junior domicile there, but I look stupid in a hat and new hires haven't been awarded the bus in years.

So this is the wagon I've hitched my horse too and I'll be damned if I go down without a fight. I like to believe that I fought well in the last one, I attended a picket by checkerboarding a reserve day and made a well-informed vote. I suspect it'll be just as, if not more, contentious than last time.
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Old 02-13-2022, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Trylabyte
yr 4. im out of this dumpster to anywhere but here if possible
Go Jet has a sweet DEC program. Enjoy!
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Old 02-13-2022, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trylabyte
yr 4. im out of this dumpster to anywhere but here if possible
I have the same seniority as yours.

I would do the same, management has no plan to deal with this mess. Trying to be cheap and ignore the reality!

the only one solution to this is pay the pilots! Sign a MOU offers 30% pay raise before any negotiation!
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Old 02-13-2022, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Why? The more desperate they get the more leverage the union will have.

one of the side effects of growing 15% per year is that you have a whole lot of people only minimally invested in the companies. Starting over at the bottom would be terrible for the guy with ten years seniority. For the guy with five years ? Not so much.
Been here almost 10 years, so not working for those clowns again would not be terrible. I am a commuter, and could change that by leaving. Break even is about 3 years, based on current progression at the legacies, if you take living in base into account.
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Old 02-14-2022, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SeriousShirley
So where would you (general) put the “likely to eject to a legacy” line? Clearly trainees / Y1 don’t stand to lose much. Y2? Any FO? Anyone x years from 65?

I know several who are dusting off apps, waiting to see if attrition self-rights or reaches a tipping point.
2Yr FO here. Real downside risk to going to big 5 now - recession in next couple years. At F9NK - you would probably be at 80% by then, and ULCC could possibly do ok with minimal furloughs. 90% at Big 5 - you are well outside the foxhole, past the ramparts and deep into the kill zone.

Have to wait till end of summer to see how it goes - maybe get the Legacy apps in then.
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Old 02-14-2022, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm >8 years in, purchased my Forever Home a little over 2 hr drive from domicile, and have no desire to commute. There's one other legacy with a junior domicile there, but I look stupid in a hat and new hires haven't been awarded the bus in years.

So this is the wagon I've hitched my horse too and I'll be damned if I go down without a fight. I like to believe that I fought well in the last one, I attended a picket by checkerboarding a reserve day and made a well-informed vote. I suspect it'll be just as, if not more, contentious than last time.
I wanna stay too. However, if it gets to the contentious picketing stage - the baby from this marriage is going to be stillborn - run as fast as you can.
Wanna know what happens when the growth story becomes even slightly suspect = look at the dot com bust 2000. They only get one chance at it. if they flub it - only place we'll be able to read about the ULCC experiment will be on wikipedia
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Old 02-14-2022, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JulesWinfield
Go Jet has a sweet DEC program. Enjoy!
Is this your response for everyone who says they want to leave ? Your gonna need some time off then.

Curious why don't you answer the posted question
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Old 02-14-2022, 06:31 AM
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Well, I guess if they all get furloughed, they can come back and fly for Sprontier. I sat in the Jumpseat on an AA 787 and the FO had done just that when on furlough at AA.
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Old 02-14-2022, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by cantflylist
2Yr FO here.
Have to wait till end of summer to see how it goes - maybe get the Legacy apps in then.
1,200 below me in 6 months; another 1200-1500 by the end of summer when I'm at 1 year. I understand the hesitation, but if you're going to do it...
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
and since I’m throwing out quotes, I think Robert frost Said something like: a road diverged in the woods and I took the path less traveled by, and
that has made all the difference.
Well, after choosing his path, the Frost says he looks forward to a day far in the future when, “with a sigh,” he will tell people about taking the road “less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” Does this mean that taking the one less traveled has “made all the difference” in a good way? Saying so “with a sigh” doesn’t necessarily sound like a good thing. The poem isn’t at all clear on whether or not taking the less traveled path was a good choice or a bad choice. So, while the poem is clear that all of our choices shape the path we take in life, it’s more ambiguous about whether choosing “less traveled” paths is a good thing or not. You won't know if you made the right choice until you are well into retirement.
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